Last night, The Rachel Maddow Show aired the first half on an interview with David Bahati, the Ugandan legislator who introduced the bill that would make homosexuality a capital crime. Bahati, as Maddow has reported on many times this year, is connected to The Family, the secretive religious organization that claims Sen. Jim Inhofe (R, OK) and Sen. Tom Coburn (R, OK) among its many conservative members.
As is the case when she goes head to head with people she strongly disagrees with, Maddow politely pulled no punches. The second half of the interview will air tonight. You can download the podcast for free on iTunes, or you can watch it on the TRMS site. The Maddow Blog is also publishing chunks of transcript from last night, and I assume they will do the same for tonight’s interview. Laura Conaway at the Maddow Blog said of the interview:
To me, one of the most amazing things about that conversation is that it’s able to happen at all — that Mr. Bahati’s able to say to her, “I think the bottom line, Rachel, is to make sure that we protect the children,” and she can say to him, “I think the international community is trying to decide whether or not Uganda is going to become an international pariah, a rogue state, excluded from the community of nations because you’re singling out a minority among your population for treatment that frankly is not the direction that the rest of the world is going.” They can say those things to each other and then keep talking. It’s amazing.
This issue is a matter of basic human rights, and is essential to our understanding of how American influence, and particularly conservative American influence, affects the granting and denial of those human rights around the world. This interview an example of what it looks like when we confront that reality. You do not want to miss it.