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Unicycle-enthusiast professor claims men are funnier than women
This video is dedicated to Professor Sam Shuster, of Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital, who has just come out with a study saying that men are naturally funnier than women. You know, because they have testosterone--which is apparently the funny-maker. Oh, and how did Shuster conduct his research? He rode a unicycle through the streets and documented people's reactions. Nuff said.
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Wait, what? What on earth does someone's reaction to a unicyclist have to do with being funny? And why are aggressive, mocking comments being equated with humor? That logic makes men who harass female bypassers absolutely hilarious. *headdesk*
I was laughing through the whole article but this paragraph really capped it for me:
"He suggested men might respond aggressively because they see the other unicycling man as a threat, attracting female attention away from themselves."
Right. Unicycle riders are attractive to women. Uh-huh. I know I can barely contain myself around clowns since just the suggestion that a unicycle might make an appearance is enough to get me going.
What a bizarre study. So aggressive, mocking, insulting comments are "funny"? Not all humor comes from making others the butt of jokes. Also...how does an observational study like this prove anything related to testosterone? It just showed that men, in an uncontrolled, unrepresentative situation, were more likely to be rude, not funny. Also, I gotta agree with SamBarge - who thinks unicycling is attractive?
I detest flippant nonsense-science masquerading as fact especially when it's controversial conclusion is not at all evident from the data obtained. You'd think as someone who generally does actual research (from what I can tell), he would not publish a popular science article so devoid so complete divorced from the scientific method. From what I can tell all that he proved is that men verbally assault male unicycle riders. What a thrilling find.
wow. that is really bad science. Did he think that through AT ALL? I also love that all male behavior is attributed to testosterone. People never do things because they are socially expected.
I heart Wanda. Anybody who thinks men are funnier than women clearly have not seen any of her shows. I don't understand the value of studies like this. What do they accomplish, other than to divide people and stir up shit? Men are funnier. Men are better at math. Women like to shop because their cavewoman ancestors were the gatherers. Please. I'm funny. I'm good at math. And I hate to shop. Bite me, unicycle boy.
Hey, everyone, calm down. This article was a joke. I just skimmed through the journal it came from, and it looks like doctors are having a little year-end fun. In fact, if you read the article, you'll see that the author has retired and is just playing around with his free time.
Actually, many academic journals publish a few joke articles towards the end of the year, because academics tend to be geeks like that. (Trust me, I'm halfway through grad school, and I never thought I'd find stats jokes funny until I got here. Now I do, dammit!)
Really, I was disappointed in the BBC for reporting this as if it were an actual study, when 6 seconds of googling disproved that for me. Sure, it's a provocative headline, but it's only contributing to the confusion over real quality science and, well, crap science.
Yeah, doctors having a joke in the BMJ, and even professors with weird ideas, are one thing. The real annoyance here is BBC News's uncritical science reporting. I love the BBC dearly, but their news editors seem to believe anything claiming to be a scientific paper, even when it's only a thinly-disguised press release.
And it's funny how they'll try to link this to some "research" from some big name school (in this case, Stanford) to lend the point of view some credence.
If I saw him, I would jeer "What business does a dermatology professor have doing research into comedy and gender?"
Read the bio at the bottom of this page.">http://spiked-online.net/Articles/0000000CACD1.htm>page. It's quite a coincidence if Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital employees two Sam Shusters. In any case, google tells me that there are no particularly notable Sam Shusters.
Actually taking a second look, eclectica33 appears to be correct. If you go straight to the horse's mouth. The article appears to be light, jokish, and sarcastic.
I think the only news here is just how bad mainstream reporting of science news really is.
This is my favorite joke publication from the Canadian Medical Association Journal. Feminists AND scientists have a sense of humor :-). There is actually a whole series of them now.
Psychopharmacology of Lycanthropy
Davis WM, Wellwuff HG, Garew L, Kydd OU.
Orphan Drug Research Institute, Jefferson, Miss.
OBJECTIVE: To develop pharmacotherapies for the orphan disease lycanthropy through the pursuit of the etiologic hypothesis of a genetically determined hypersecretion of endogenous lycanthropogens. DESIGN: Quadruple-blind, Rubik's Cube matrix analysis. SETTING: Community practice and malpractice. PARTICIPANTS: Subjects selected from inbred Ruficolla populations in Mississippi, Georgia, North Carolina and Minnesota. All who entered the study finished it. INTERVENTIONS: Chemical screening of blood samples over a hypothesized secretory cycle of lycanthropogen peaking on the day of maximum lunar illumination. Administration of synthetic lycanthropogens for behavioural testing. Experimental lycosomatization through the illumination method of Kirschbaum. OUTCOME MEASURES: None were post hoc, but some are still in hock. MAIN RESULTS: Two putative lycanthropogens were isolated from the blood samples. Structural elucidation and synthesis permitted animal and clinical trials; in each of these, behavioural dysfunction was observed. Antilycanthropogen strategies included application of the principle of caged compounds and generation of a therapeutic immunoglobulin. The effects of a newly developed antihirsutic agent seemed promising. An interaction of the lycanthropogen-secretion system and ethanol was noted, which may explain behavioural aspects of alcoholism. CONCLUSIONS: The incidence of lycomania in North America is underestimated. Soon-to-be-available pharmacotherapies should promote its early detection and treatment. Full control may depend upon advances in gene therapy.
Thought I'd come out from my lurking days to affirm the comments here that say the article is a joke. In fact, the entire issue is a joke. A quick look at the current issue vs. the archived issues indicates such. (As a university science student who has had to read MANY peer-reviewed journal articles, the subtle and not-so-subtle jokes in this holiday issue are actually quite entertaining!)
This piece is published alongside "Excuse Me! The Etiquette of Sneezing in Surgical Masks," which states that "Although standard teaching dictates surgeons MUST FACE THE WOUND when sneezing, tests by the authors found no significant numbers of droplets passing behind the head of the subject." Clearly a joke.
There's also a literature review about the heritability of magical powers as indicated in the Harry Potter novels. Also, clearly a joke. The Sam Shuster piece falls in line with these. The whole premise and methods published in his article indicate to anyone knowledgeable about science that it is intentionally "bad" science.
So really, any jabs at Sam Shuster are unfair. It's mainstream media reporting on science that is the problem, which is why the public needs good science education!
I swear bad science reporting is one of the greatest enemies feminism has... Meh. We need MORE kickass female or female-friendly science editors out there to demand higher standards.
You can't exactly google the article to see that it's a joke, Amanda, because apparently there are many terrible science reporters out there.
What you have to do is go directly to the BMJ website and look at the articles from the current issue. They're all jokes. If you're not familiar with peer-reviewed journal articles or any of the topics discussed in the articles, you might not get the joke.
But come on, Harry Potter and the heritability of magical powers? Even if people don't get the humor in the rest of the articles, that article is a clear example of the level of seriousness in the issue.
And for those who simply don't want to read through any of the articles, here's a statement (from the website) about this particular issue of the British Medical Journal:
"As 2007 draws to a close, the Christmas double issue of the BMJ enters into the seasonal party spirit - all the usual favourite topics are covered, as well as quite a few unexpected ones..."
SARAHMC: """So in reality the guy is making fun of junky, sexist evo psych "studies?" Cool. Too bad the public will eat it up and repeat it as "truth."""
Now that you say that, I'm wondering if it is an in-group or outgroup joke. Originally I assumed it was written by an ev psychy-person. Most of the articles seem like in group jokes (applying common approaches in the field in an obviously ridiculous way).
The funny thing is, as an evolutionary psychologist, it was pretty obvious that it was a parody. The fact that so many people thought it was real suggests that people really need to have a better understanding of the ev psych approach!
In any case, our ev psych lab is getting a kick out of it.
Its always been my experience that women are funnier than men. I love Ellen DeGeneres, Jennifer Saunders, Dawn French, Wanda Sykes, ect ect. The men always have a less engaging (actions, verbal) routine.
I deduce that men make crap scientists after applying the same methods this dolt used in this study.
Its always been my experience that women are funnier than men. I love Ellen DeGeneres, Jennifer Saunders, Dawn French, Wanda Sykes, Sarah Silverman, Amy Sedaris, Julia Davis (Night-Night) ect ect. The men always have a less engaging (actions, verbal) routine.
I deduce that men make crap scientists after applying the same methods this dolt used in this study.
(I hope this doesnt post twice, I experienced the "Error' page)
Gee, if I were the editor of the BBC science page (or any of the other multiple publications which published this obvious JOKE as fact) I sure would be embarrassed!
I really had no idea you could get a job writing science articles with absolutely no knowledge of the scientific method or, you know, common sense.
Its not hard to believe it wasnt a joke. Evolutionary science usually supports elusive and sexist theories, particularly as its interpreted through the media. I thougth this was just another one.
I saw this story reported earlier (wish I could remember where) and nowhere in the article was it reported that it was a joke.
I'm a science writer myself, and I work really hard to both make sure I understand the methodology used by the study, agree with the logic used to reach the conclusions, and report it in a way that is clear, concise, and accurate. When a writer does such a poor job that this slips through as a real story it embarrasses me.
I have only one question: didn't Jessica essentially do the same thing as the BBC by citing this study as real and not a joke? Clearly she did what many science writers and editors do. She relied on and recycled secondhand information about studies and findings without bothering to track down the source (although that may not be what the BBC writer did, which is far more embarrassing).
To be sure, it's not the wort of crimes. Everyone does it, and this is a blog, not the Beeb. But it seems a little disingenuous to call the BCC "sad" when Jessica essentially did the same the thing, without retraction or apology ("Sorry, everyone, I was suckered...").
Will an update be added to this post, indicating that the original article was a spoof? Or could feministing at least add a link to the BMJ, so readers could decide for themselves whether the study is "real." Maybe the journal's accompanying article on the "Origins of magic: [a] review of genetic and epigenetic effects" is bona fide science too.
Oh, please, Peter. This is a feminist volunteer blog. It's understandable that Jessica would rely on secondhand reporting, since she was relying on the BBC, a source that PAYS PEOPLE TO BE EXPERTS IN SCIENCE REPORTING and as such should be expected to be trustworthy. It's not just "sad", it's blatantly not even getting up to the standard of minimal job requirements. The reporter and editor ought to be suspended and/or fired for incompetence.
I don't get why anyone thinks that the jokey origins of this story make it okay. The BBC, and the MSM generally, reported it as fact. As MizDarwin pointed out, if the BMJ had decided to kid around by publishing a study 'proving' that racial minorities are stupid or larcenous, you think targets would be told to lighten up and laugh it off? Shuster could have written his joke with a fake study 'proving' that men are weak or inferior, har har. I bet even the average science journalist would have raised an eyebrow before mindlessly passing that one along.
"Can the folks reporting this is a joke leave a link? I have good google skills, but somehow the "this is a joke" articles are not popping up." - Amanda Marcotte
I hope Amanda's post is a joke, but I can't find any articles to tell me if it is.
Unree, you make a good point. I think there are two separate issues going on that upset me here.
One is that science writers at well-respected news sources passed off a jokey study (which are pretty common around the holidays and April 1st) as real. Bad science reporting really, really upsets me. I think laypeople should understand science because it has a huge influence on their lives these days. Bad science reporting miseducates people when it should do the opposite.
The other issue is perpetuating the sexist stereotype that women don't have a sense of humor. Whether they were actually trying to prove it or that everyone just agreed that the stereotype was funny enough to publish as a joke--it's sexist.
Also, I don't think Jessica should be held accountable int the same way as BBC science writers. This is a blog, not a news source, and she's not a science writer who has it drilled into her brain to go to the original source.
I dont really understand why people are complaining so much about these type of things. Obviously this professor was ignorant. Why does one professors opinion get so much attention from a site like this. I realize it could lead to preventing a good female comedians humor for speaking for itself but i dont see how complaining about this professor. In my perspective you let the humor speak for itself, then if their are people who would rather discriminate, do the best you can reguardless if a certain group or people no matter how powerful because once all different womens efforts to be the best they can comes together in peoples eyes it will push past the gender one day. I think it is better to promote that then to complain on the internet.
1. Is the article funny? A sample of readers of both sexes were asked the question, and reactions are summarized in a spreadsheet...
2. Was the article making gender generalizations? Yes, and to my knowledge, correct ones. Basically, small children of both sexes were curious, and curiosity at that age was encouraged by parents. Later, the responses bifurcated into aggressive -- boys, and polite -- girls. Etc. In late teens most of aggressive behavior ceased, yielding to jokes.
3. Why I say that the generalizations were correct?
"Young men in old cars were very aggressive, acting as if to frighten me off the road—they lowered their windows and shouted abusively, waved their arms, and hooted. I did not see this with women drivers and older men in more expensive cars."
Similar observations were collected by yours truly while commuting on bicycle on a shoulder of our local highway. While it is hard to determine sex of the drivers who merely honk and pass you doing 20 miles per hour more than you do, the voices of hecklers always sound male.
4. How different is this article from a "true science article". There are 3 citations, one to Darwin, which is totally at variance with "serious papers" in medicine and biology (20-50 being the usual number, plus all cites were cheerfully irrelevant) Other differences are more subtle perhaps but consistent with what passes for "sense of humor" in some insular nations.
The original BMJ article is definitely intended to be a joke. The BBC coverage (and most subsequent news/blog coverage) took it seriously. On a side note, the BBC science section is notoriously poor.
However, it is worth noting that my father-in-law is an avid unicyclist, and everybody else in the family laughs at him for it. (He also solicited me [a mech. eng.] to design a mounting frame for his extra-tall unicycle. That's probably his funniest escapade to date.)
Yes, Carlie, I know this is a blog, and I said as much. The BBC error was stupid and sloppy. Perhaps it should cost someone his or her job, since that job is to pursue, verify, and report the facts.
Still, most bloggers -- volunteer or not -- take a bit more responsibility than you propose. And they rarely bow down to the "expertise" and authority of the MSM as completely as you seem to be ("Oh, we're just amateurs here! How could the pros have mislead us! What's a blog to do!").
Jessica's post was not a dig at the BBC, although with a bit of research it could have been. Instead it was a dig at this so-called scientific paper. That is, it reported the paper as fact, just like the BBC.
With only the smallest amount of work, Jessica could have looked at the original article -- and its pictures alone would have shown the joke. It would have taken about as much time as it took to find and embed the YouTube video.
And as far as the rules of blogging go, I still wonder if someone will volunteer the time to post a correction or an update. Everybody makes mistakes; bloggers have the luxury of immediately owning up and helping to get the truth out there, in spite of MSM incompetence.
The thing about the gender balence in comedy is that, inevitably, near to every professional comedian is a straight man or a gay woman. To me, it seems that it's not women who are underrepresented, it's straight women and gay men.
The explanation must have something to do with how women and men behave in relationships and what their respective reactions to their mate's ambitions are. The other half is the basic sexism of the audience, and how women aren't allowed to talk about sexuality in the way men are. Gay men aren't allowed to deal with sexuality with a straight audience's homophobia, and lesbians are considered, to an extent part of the "old boy's club" so they're allowed to slide.
Question about detachable pussies (there's a sentence I never thought I'd say): if you detach it when you have your period, what happens? Do you have to leave it in a box of kleenex or something?
The professor link is a little misleading. I wonder if the poster read the article. Regardless of the lack of legitimacy of his methods, at no point (according the the BBC article) does he claim that men are funnier than women. He says that they make more jokes and are generally more aggressive (and hurtful) in their joking but no where does he equate that with the jokes, or the men making them, with being funny, let alone funnier than the jokes women make.
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Wait, what? What on earth does someone's reaction to a unicyclist have to do with being funny? And why are aggressive, mocking comments being equated with humor? That logic makes men who harass female bypassers absolutely hilarious. *headdesk*
Posted by: Cate
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December 21, 2007 11:01 AM
"..male comedians outnumber female ones"
I wonder why. Hint: it's not cause women aren't funny.
ps. Wanda ROCKS.
Posted by: Kmari1222
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December 21, 2007 11:14 AM
I was laughing through the whole article but this paragraph really capped it for me:
"He suggested men might respond aggressively because they see the other unicycling man as a threat, attracting female attention away from themselves."
Right. Unicycle riders are attractive to women. Uh-huh. I know I can barely contain myself around clowns since just the suggestion that a unicycle might make an appearance is enough to get me going.
Posted by: SamBarge
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December 21, 2007 11:16 AM
What a bizarre study. So aggressive, mocking, insulting comments are "funny"? Not all humor comes from making others the butt of jokes. Also...how does an observational study like this prove anything related to testosterone? It just showed that men, in an uncontrolled, unrepresentative situation, were more likely to be rude, not funny. Also, I gotta agree with SamBarge - who thinks unicycling is attractive?
Posted by: sophia86
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December 21, 2007 11:20 AM
I detest flippant nonsense-science masquerading as fact especially when it's controversial conclusion is not at all evident from the data obtained. You'd think as someone who generally does actual research (from what I can tell), he would not publish a popular science article so devoid so complete divorced from the scientific method. From what I can tell all that he proved is that men verbally assault male unicycle riders. What a thrilling find.
Posted by: loretedelpy
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December 21, 2007 11:20 AM
wow. that is really bad science. Did he think that through AT ALL? I also love that all male behavior is attributed to testosterone. People never do things because they are socially expected.
Posted by: Bethany
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December 21, 2007 11:31 AM
my favorite part was when he classified "Lost a wheel?" as a "subtle and sophisticated joke."
Posted by: harlemjd
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December 21, 2007 11:33 AM
I liked that part too, harlem. It's HILARIOUS.
Posted by: Bethany
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December 21, 2007 11:35 AM
I heart Wanda. Anybody who thinks men are funnier than women clearly have not seen any of her shows. I don't understand the value of studies like this. What do they accomplish, other than to divide people and stir up shit? Men are funnier. Men are better at math. Women like to shop because their cavewoman ancestors were the gatherers. Please. I'm funny. I'm good at math. And I hate to shop. Bite me, unicycle boy.
Posted by: cheekykitten
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December 21, 2007 11:35 AM
this is not a "study" (even in the loosest of interpretations), this is an opinion. More, it is a joke in itself.
Posted by: Roxie
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December 21, 2007 11:40 AM
This part had me laughing out loud: "'The idea that unicycling is intrinsically funny does not explain the findings,' said Professor Shuster."
Explain what findings? That men are more likely to heckle another man riding a unicycle? I'm honestly clueless as to what was proven.
Posted by: j.helene
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December 21, 2007 11:44 AM
So this professor just proved to the world that he's an idiot.
Posted by: GottaBeMe
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December 21, 2007 11:46 AM
But why does she leave it in a shoe box? Don't women keep dummy heads on the dresser for their wigs? ;-)
Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
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December 21, 2007 11:47 AM
What a clown.
Haha, get it? It's totally because I'm a guy and naturally blessed with "the funny".
Sigh......
Posted by: alexmlwallace
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December 21, 2007 11:48 AM
I think j.helene that it proves within statistical limits that Professor Sam Shuster has significantly too much time on his hands.
Posted by: Faerylore
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December 21, 2007 11:50 AM
I think j.helene that it proves within statistical limits that Professor Sam Shuster has significantly too much time on his hands.
Or that the research expectation of his tenure is much much too low (well assuming he's tenure tract)...
Posted by: Faerylore
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December 21, 2007 11:51 AM
Maybe the whole 'study' is just an elaborate joke...
Posted by: pull_rank
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December 21, 2007 11:55 AM
Hey, everyone, calm down. This article was a joke. I just skimmed through the journal it came from, and it looks like doctors are having a little year-end fun. In fact, if you read the article, you'll see that the author has retired and is just playing around with his free time.
Actually, many academic journals publish a few joke articles towards the end of the year, because academics tend to be geeks like that. (Trust me, I'm halfway through grad school, and I never thought I'd find stats jokes funny until I got here. Now I do, dammit!)
Really, I was disappointed in the BBC for reporting this as if it were an actual study, when 6 seconds of googling disproved that for me. Sure, it's a provocative headline, but it's only contributing to the confusion over real quality science and, well, crap science.
Posted by: eclectica33
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December 21, 2007 11:57 AM
Yeah, doctors having a joke in the BMJ, and even professors with weird ideas, are one thing. The real annoyance here is BBC News's uncritical science reporting. I love the BBC dearly, but their news editors seem to believe anything claiming to be a scientific paper, even when it's only a thinly-disguised press release.
Posted by: Marnanel
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December 21, 2007 12:02 PM
"Hey, everyone, calm down. This article was a joke."
Hey, I knew that! Or I would have if I'd read it. Anyway, any excuse for that terrific clip of Wanda! :-)
Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
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December 21, 2007 12:04 PM
Wow, I can't believe the BBC reported on it...
Posted by: Jessica
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December 21, 2007 12:28 PM
Does anyone have a link showing the piece is a joke? Cause when I googled it, it's coming up EVERYWHERE as a real story...sad.
Posted by: Jessica
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December 21, 2007 12:31 PM
I just Googled it and everything I saw treated it like a serious study, with no indication that it was at all meant to be a joke, or tongue-in-cheek.
Posted by: GottaBeMe
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December 21, 2007 12:36 PM
Next stop: GALLAGHER CONCERT, you shrill, humorless harpies!
Posted by: norbizness
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December 21, 2007 12:46 PM
Yeah, read similar nonsense before.
Christopher Hitchens had an article in Vanity Fair in Jan 2007 spewing essentially the same thing.
Vanity Fair article here
And it's funny how they'll try to link this to some "research" from some big name school (in this case, Stanford) to lend the point of view some credence.
Posted by: broomstick
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December 21, 2007 12:47 PM
If I saw him, I would jeer "What business does a dermatology professor have doing research into comedy and gender?"
Read the bio at the bottom of this page.">http://spiked-online.net/Articles/0000000CACD1.htm>page. It's quite a coincidence if Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital employees two Sam Shusters. In any case, google tells me that there are no particularly notable Sam Shusters.
Posted by: idratherbedrunk
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December 21, 2007 01:03 PM
I want a detachable pussy....
Posted by: Alexandra
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December 21, 2007 01:05 PM
@norbizness:
...followed by a "Three Stooges" marathon!
Posted by: Vervain
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December 21, 2007 01:13 PM
Actually taking a second look, eclectica33 appears to be correct. If you go straight to the horse's mouth. The article appears to be light, jokish, and sarcastic.
I think the only news here is just how bad mainstream reporting of science news really is.
Posted by: idratherbedrunk
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December 21, 2007 01:19 PM
A science editor who fails to distinguish between actual science and a silly gag piece should be sacked.
Posted by: Thomas
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December 21, 2007 01:21 PM
hee hee hee hee hee. That's hilarious.
This is my favorite joke publication from the Canadian Medical Association Journal. Feminists AND scientists have a sense of humor :-). There is actually a whole series of them now.
Psychopharmacology of Lycanthropy
Davis WM, Wellwuff HG, Garew L, Kydd OU.
Orphan Drug Research Institute, Jefferson, Miss.
OBJECTIVE: To develop pharmacotherapies for the orphan disease lycanthropy through the pursuit of the etiologic hypothesis of a genetically determined hypersecretion of endogenous lycanthropogens. DESIGN: Quadruple-blind, Rubik's Cube matrix analysis. SETTING: Community practice and malpractice. PARTICIPANTS: Subjects selected from inbred Ruficolla populations in Mississippi, Georgia, North Carolina and Minnesota. All who entered the study finished it. INTERVENTIONS: Chemical screening of blood samples over a hypothesized secretory cycle of lycanthropogen peaking on the day of maximum lunar illumination. Administration of synthetic lycanthropogens for behavioural testing. Experimental lycosomatization through the illumination method of Kirschbaum. OUTCOME MEASURES: None were post hoc, but some are still in hock. MAIN RESULTS: Two putative lycanthropogens were isolated from the blood samples. Structural elucidation and synthesis permitted animal and clinical trials; in each of these, behavioural dysfunction was observed. Antilycanthropogen strategies included application of the principle of caged compounds and generation of a therapeutic immunoglobulin. The effects of a newly developed antihirsutic agent seemed promising. An interaction of the lycanthropogen-secretion system and ethanol was noted, which may explain behavioural aspects of alcoholism. CONCLUSIONS: The incidence of lycomania in North America is underestimated. Soon-to-be-available pharmacotherapies should promote its early detection and treatment. Full control may depend upon advances in gene therapy.
*Lycanthropy means turning into a werewolf.
Posted by: UCLAbodyimage
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December 21, 2007 01:24 PM
Thought I'd come out from my lurking days to affirm the comments here that say the article is a joke. In fact, the entire issue is a joke. A quick look at the current issue vs. the archived issues indicates such. (As a university science student who has had to read MANY peer-reviewed journal articles, the subtle and not-so-subtle jokes in this holiday issue are actually quite entertaining!)
This piece is published alongside "Excuse Me! The Etiquette of Sneezing in Surgical Masks," which states that "Although standard teaching dictates surgeons MUST FACE THE WOUND when sneezing, tests by the authors found no significant numbers of droplets passing behind the head of the subject." Clearly a joke.
There's also a literature review about the heritability of magical powers as indicated in the Harry Potter novels. Also, clearly a joke. The Sam Shuster piece falls in line with these. The whole premise and methods published in his article indicate to anyone knowledgeable about science that it is intentionally "bad" science.
So really, any jabs at Sam Shuster are unfair. It's mainstream media reporting on science that is the problem, which is why the public needs good science education!
Posted by: Tofurific
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December 21, 2007 01:30 PM
Okay, the fact that he thinks a unicycle will tell him anything about someone's sense of humor -- THAT is pretty damn funny.
Do I count as good-humored if I'm laughing AT him?
Posted by: The Law Fairy
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December 21, 2007 01:39 PM
You're laughing WITH him, Law Fairy...
Seriously, I think an addendum should be added to this post to make it clear who is really at fault for this debacle.
Posted by: Tofurific
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December 21, 2007 01:52 PM
Vervain: That reminds me of one of my favorite gags from the old Dr. Katz show, by Andy Kindler, a non-woman:
"Doctor, I think I finally figured out why women don't enjoy the Three Stooges."
"Why is that, Andy..."
"(interrupting) THEY'RE NOT FUNNY!"
Posted by: norbizness
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December 21, 2007 01:58 PM
Can the folks reporting this is a joke leave a link? I have good google skills, but somehow the "this is a joke" articles are not popping up.
Posted by: Amanda Marcotte
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December 21, 2007 01:58 PM
I swear bad science reporting is one of the greatest enemies feminism has... Meh. We need MORE kickass female or female-friendly science editors out there to demand higher standards.
Posted by: Bowleserised
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December 21, 2007 02:01 PM
So in reality the guy is making fun of junky, sexist evo psych "studies?" Cool. Too bad the public will eat it up and repeat it as "truth."
Posted by: SarahMC
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December 21, 2007 02:24 PM
You can't exactly google the article to see that it's a joke, Amanda, because apparently there are many terrible science reporters out there.
What you have to do is go directly to the BMJ website and look at the articles from the current issue. They're all jokes. If you're not familiar with peer-reviewed journal articles or any of the topics discussed in the articles, you might not get the joke.
But come on, Harry Potter and the heritability of magical powers? Even if people don't get the humor in the rest of the articles, that article is a clear example of the level of seriousness in the issue.
Website here: http://www.bmj.com/
Posted by: Tofurific
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December 21, 2007 02:26 PM
And for those who simply don't want to read through any of the articles, here's a statement (from the website) about this particular issue of the British Medical Journal:
"As 2007 draws to a close, the Christmas double issue of the BMJ enters into the seasonal party spirit - all the usual favourite topics are covered, as well as quite a few unexpected ones..."
Posted by: Tofurific
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December 21, 2007 02:31 PM
SARAHMC: """So in reality the guy is making fun of junky, sexist evo psych "studies?" Cool. Too bad the public will eat it up and repeat it as "truth."""
Now that you say that, I'm wondering if it is an in-group or outgroup joke. Originally I assumed it was written by an ev psychy-person. Most of the articles seem like in group jokes (applying common approaches in the field in an obviously ridiculous way).
The funny thing is, as an evolutionary psychologist, it was pretty obvious that it was a parody. The fact that so many people thought it was real suggests that people really need to have a better understanding of the ev psych approach!
In any case, our ev psych lab is getting a kick out of it.
Posted by: UCLAbodyimage
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December 21, 2007 02:56 PM
"""Okay, the fact that he thinks a unicycle will tell him anything about someone's sense of humor -- THAT is pretty damn funny.""
But seriously, how cool would it be to do a study that involved unicycles? That would be awesome.
Posted by: UCLAbodyimage
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December 21, 2007 03:07 PM
Please. I'm funny. I'm good at math. And I hate to shop. Bite me, unicycle boy."
word.
Posted by: Kmari1222
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December 21, 2007 03:13 PM
Love Wanda Sykes, "Sick and Tired!!!!"
Its always been my experience that women are funnier than men. I love Ellen DeGeneres, Jennifer Saunders, Dawn French, Wanda Sykes, ect ect. The men always have a less engaging (actions, verbal) routine.
I deduce that men make crap scientists after applying the same methods this dolt used in this study.
Posted by: Gopher
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December 21, 2007 04:23 PM
Love Wanda Sykes, "Sick and Tired!!!!"
Its always been my experience that women are funnier than men. I love Ellen DeGeneres, Jennifer Saunders, Dawn French, Wanda Sykes, Sarah Silverman, Amy Sedaris, Julia Davis (Night-Night) ect ect. The men always have a less engaging (actions, verbal) routine.
I deduce that men make crap scientists after applying the same methods this dolt used in this study.
(I hope this doesnt post twice, I experienced the "Error' page)
Posted by: Gopher
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December 21, 2007 04:26 PM
Gee, if I were the editor of the BBC science page (or any of the other multiple publications which published this obvious JOKE as fact) I sure would be embarrassed!
I really had no idea you could get a job writing science articles with absolutely no knowledge of the scientific method or, you know, common sense.
Posted by: Ayla
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December 21, 2007 04:49 PM
As a British comedienne and feminist I have been on the radio most of the day being interviewed about this one. My views, for those who are interested, are here.
Posted by: Cruella
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December 21, 2007 07:55 PM
Call me a humourless man all you like, but I have found hardly anything funny since I graduated from high school in 2002.
Posted by: Jovan1984
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December 21, 2007 10:13 PM
Sure, stereotype worship is idiotic. But there's no reason at all to get all your knickers in a twist just because men are labelled "more aggressive".
Posted by: finix
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December 21, 2007 10:36 PM
Its not hard to believe it wasnt a joke. Evolutionary science usually supports elusive and sexist theories, particularly as its interpreted through the media. I thougth this was just another one.
Posted by: Gopher
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December 22, 2007 01:14 AM
I saw this story reported earlier (wish I could remember where) and nowhere in the article was it reported that it was a joke.
I'm a science writer myself, and I work really hard to both make sure I understand the methodology used by the study, agree with the logic used to reach the conclusions, and report it in a way that is clear, concise, and accurate. When a writer does such a poor job that this slips through as a real story it embarrasses me.
Posted by: cupcakebandit
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December 22, 2007 01:34 AM
I have only one question: didn't Jessica essentially do the same thing as the BBC by citing this study as real and not a joke? Clearly she did what many science writers and editors do. She relied on and recycled secondhand information about studies and findings without bothering to track down the source (although that may not be what the BBC writer did, which is far more embarrassing).
To be sure, it's not the wort of crimes. Everyone does it, and this is a blog, not the Beeb. But it seems a little disingenuous to call the BCC "sad" when Jessica essentially did the same the thing, without retraction or apology ("Sorry, everyone, I was suckered...").
Will an update be added to this post, indicating that the original article was a spoof? Or could feministing at least add a link to the BMJ, so readers could decide for themselves whether the study is "real." Maybe the journal's accompanying article on the "Origins of magic: [a] review of genetic and epigenetic effects" is bona fide science too.
Posted by: peter
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December 22, 2007 08:49 AM
HAHAHA!!! That woman is SO FUNNY! I LOLED SO MUCH! Who is she?
Posted by: Mary Tracy9
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December 22, 2007 10:06 AM
Oh, please, Peter. This is a feminist volunteer blog. It's understandable that Jessica would rely on secondhand reporting, since she was relying on the BBC, a source that PAYS PEOPLE TO BE EXPERTS IN SCIENCE REPORTING and as such should be expected to be trustworthy. It's not just "sad", it's blatantly not even getting up to the standard of minimal job requirements. The reporter and editor ought to be suspended and/or fired for incompetence.
Posted by: Carlie
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December 22, 2007 10:09 AM
I don't get why anyone thinks that the jokey origins of this story make it okay. The BBC, and the MSM generally, reported it as fact. As MizDarwin pointed out, if the BMJ had decided to kid around by publishing a study 'proving' that racial minorities are stupid or larcenous, you think targets would be told to lighten up and laugh it off? Shuster could have written his joke with a fake study 'proving' that men are weak or inferior, har har. I bet even the average science journalist would have raised an eyebrow before mindlessly passing that one along.
Posted by: Unree
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December 22, 2007 11:47 AM
"Can the folks reporting this is a joke leave a link? I have good google skills, but somehow the "this is a joke" articles are not popping up." - Amanda Marcotte
I hope Amanda's post is a joke, but I can't find any articles to tell me if it is.
Posted by: noname
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December 22, 2007 11:54 AM
My last post was meant to be a joke, but I realize after a second reading that it actually came out a bit mean. Sorry.
Posted by: noname
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December 22, 2007 11:58 AM
Unree, you make a good point. I think there are two separate issues going on that upset me here.
One is that science writers at well-respected news sources passed off a jokey study (which are pretty common around the holidays and April 1st) as real. Bad science reporting really, really upsets me. I think laypeople should understand science because it has a huge influence on their lives these days. Bad science reporting miseducates people when it should do the opposite.
The other issue is perpetuating the sexist stereotype that women don't have a sense of humor. Whether they were actually trying to prove it or that everyone just agreed that the stereotype was funny enough to publish as a joke--it's sexist.
Also, I don't think Jessica should be held accountable int the same way as BBC science writers. This is a blog, not a news source, and she's not a science writer who has it drilled into her brain to go to the original source.
Posted by: cupcakebandit
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December 22, 2007 02:57 PM
I dont really understand why people are complaining so much about these type of things. Obviously this professor was ignorant. Why does one professors opinion get so much attention from a site like this. I realize it could lead to preventing a good female comedians humor for speaking for itself but i dont see how complaining about this professor. In my perspective you let the humor speak for itself, then if their are people who would rather discriminate, do the best you can reguardless if a certain group or people no matter how powerful because once all different womens efforts to be the best they can comes together in peoples eyes it will push past the gender one day. I think it is better to promote that then to complain on the internet.
Posted by: HI
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December 22, 2007 03:28 PM
Several comments:
1. Is the article funny? A sample of readers of both sexes were asked the question, and reactions are summarized in a spreadsheet...
2. Was the article making gender generalizations? Yes, and to my knowledge, correct ones. Basically, small children of both sexes were curious, and curiosity at that age was encouraged by parents. Later, the responses bifurcated into aggressive -- boys, and polite -- girls. Etc. In late teens most of aggressive behavior ceased, yielding to jokes.
3. Why I say that the generalizations were correct?
"Young men in old cars were very aggressive, acting as if to frighten me off the road—they lowered their windows and shouted abusively, waved their arms, and hooted. I did not see this with women drivers and older men in more expensive cars."
Similar observations were collected by yours truly while commuting on bicycle on a shoulder of our local highway. While it is hard to determine sex of the drivers who merely honk and pass you doing 20 miles per hour more than you do, the voices of hecklers always sound male.
4. How different is this article from a "true science article". There are 3 citations, one to Darwin, which is totally at variance with "serious papers" in medicine and biology (20-50 being the usual number, plus all cites were cheerfully irrelevant) Other differences are more subtle perhaps but consistent with what passes for "sense of humor" in some insular nations.
Posted by: piotrek
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December 22, 2007 05:57 PM
The original BMJ article is definitely intended to be a joke. The BBC coverage (and most subsequent news/blog coverage) took it seriously. On a side note, the BBC science section is notoriously poor.
However, it is worth noting that my father-in-law is an avid unicyclist, and everybody else in the family laughs at him for it. (He also solicited me [a mech. eng.] to design a mounting frame for his extra-tall unicycle. That's probably his funniest escapade to date.)
Posted by: Erica B
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December 22, 2007 07:29 PM
Yes, Carlie, I know this is a blog, and I said as much. The BBC error was stupid and sloppy. Perhaps it should cost someone his or her job, since that job is to pursue, verify, and report the facts.
Still, most bloggers -- volunteer or not -- take a bit more responsibility than you propose. And they rarely bow down to the "expertise" and authority of the MSM as completely as you seem to be ("Oh, we're just amateurs here! How could the pros have mislead us! What's a blog to do!").
Jessica's post was not a dig at the BBC, although with a bit of research it could have been. Instead it was a dig at this so-called scientific paper. That is, it reported the paper as fact, just like the BBC.
With only the smallest amount of work, Jessica could have looked at the original article -- and its pictures alone would have shown the joke. It would have taken about as much time as it took to find and embed the YouTube video.
And as far as the rules of blogging go, I still wonder if someone will volunteer the time to post a correction or an update. Everybody makes mistakes; bloggers have the luxury of immediately owning up and helping to get the truth out there, in spite of MSM incompetence.
Posted by: peter
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December 23, 2007 09:05 AM
The thing about the gender balence in comedy is that, inevitably, near to every professional comedian is a straight man or a gay woman. To me, it seems that it's not women who are underrepresented, it's straight women and gay men.
The explanation must have something to do with how women and men behave in relationships and what their respective reactions to their mate's ambitions are. The other half is the basic sexism of the audience, and how women aren't allowed to talk about sexuality in the way men are. Gay men aren't allowed to deal with sexuality with a straight audience's homophobia, and lesbians are considered, to an extent part of the "old boy's club" so they're allowed to slide.
Posted by: werechick
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December 25, 2007 12:52 AM
Question about detachable pussies (there's a sentence I never thought I'd say): if you detach it when you have your period, what happens? Do you have to leave it in a box of kleenex or something?
I heart Wanda Sykes.
Posted by: Liza
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December 25, 2007 12:54 AM
there are a lot more funny guys i know than funny girls.
but,
the funny girls i know are a lot funnier than the guys.
this study doesnt prove anything except that some younger guys are assholes who are more likely to shout at people than a woman is.
leave it as it is ladies.
bullshit. :)
Posted by: nou
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December 26, 2007 05:31 PM
The professor link is a little misleading. I wonder if the poster read the article. Regardless of the lack of legitimacy of his methods, at no point (according the the BBC article) does he claim that men are funnier than women. He says that they make more jokes and are generally more aggressive (and hurtful) in their joking but no where does he equate that with the jokes, or the men making them, with being funny, let alone funnier than the jokes women make.
Posted by: the_ultimate_now
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December 26, 2007 09:10 PM