Why is it so hard for these women to notice the obvious paradox that it is for them to express political opinions while claiming the opinions of their own sex are irrelevant? Sounds similar to the rationale of "My abortion is the only moral abortion".

Don't you love when these conservative women advocate taking away women's votes, and women staying at home? Makes me want to ask them, what about YOU? In Ann's mind (Chardonnay induced haze?), is it all women shouldn't vote except for her?
Also, I really hope this thread doesn't turn into a thread of "MAnn" Coulter jokes. I loathe her, but that's insulting to transgendered people. I also really hate when supposedly progressive guys talk about how they want to rape her, etc.

Ahh, yes, I too fantazie about a return to fewer rights for women. I mean, if you can't trust us with a vote, you might as well take away the rights to our bodies, too. Oh wait...

Coulter's an idiot. She's such an idiot, she can't even keep her own rhetoric straight. Single women are not the same demographic as soccer moms.

Also, I like "I don't think it's going to happen." Like, what, she's not sure?

Also--her amazement at the obvious is just too funny.

Hey! Look! The Democratic party every so often pays attention to issues important to women, and then, get this--women vote for them! How crazy is that!

Right. That's how democracy is supposed to work, you moron.

"Also, I like "I don't think it's going to happen." Like, what, she's not sure?"

Well, I'm sure she gets invited to some meetings that we don't. Maybe there's something in the works?

Yes, I hate her. I hate that she says the super crazy awful stuff and then it magically seems a little less crazy to stupid folk when someone else says it several months later. She's at the vanguard of normalizing our near-future fascist state.

What really gets me about this statement is how she can't manage to make a single coherent remark.

Initially, she says that single women are the problem. Now, typically single women aren't soccer moms with families. However, the last part of her statement she starts to blame the "soccer moms" for wanting lower priced tuition, day care, etc. First of all, she needs to get her demographics straight.

Second of all, does she consider herself a woman, or does she just not vote?

OK, one more thing. The next time anybody compares Michael Moore to Ann Coulter, I'm going to ask them to show me where Moore says that taking the vote away from men or from rich people is a dream of his.

Ah, Ann. *rolls eyes* She's not the only one, either. Read through this "women shouldn't vote" dreck if you REALLY feel like giving your blood pressure a workout...

http://amnation.com/vfr/archives/008277.html

My favorite quote -
"The question posed to Adam by the transgression of Eve is the same as it is today to the American male--and males everywhere: Who do I love and desire more--the woman and her (seemingly inherent) lawlessness, or God and His law?"

So cut it out with the wanton voting, you lawless stupid-voting women, you!

Hmm. As I recall, Adam ate the apple as well. I know! Absolute monarchy by dictator anointed by God! That'll solve ev--

What's that?

Oh, it didn't?

Oh. OK. Never mind.

Ann is totally right. Who do those soccer moms think they are -- people?!?!?!

it makes me cry that this woman gets any attention at all. I despair for humanity.

Ugh - She needs to be reminded that she's only gotten as far as she has because of feminism (as my girlfriend continually reminds me) - oh the irony. Just baffles me how she wants to disenfranchise 50%+ the voting population.

I'm starting a new band soon, and I've been toying with the idea of calling it "Kill Ann Coulter". I don't really want to give her any more publicity than she deserves, though, and I don't want to give anyone ideas, either. I want her to die at a very old age lonely, watching everything she purports to stand for unraveling, with nobody catching onto her dementia decades before.

And as far as I know, the only progressive male who'd touch her with anything less than a 50 foot cattle prod is Henry Rollins.

The cognitive dissonance, it hurts.

it is kind of embarrassing, the Democratic Party ought to be hanging its head in shame, that it has so much difficulty getting men to vote for it.

But the Republican Party's inability to get women who aren't Coulter to vote for it, no big deal.

OK, one more thing. The next time anybody compares Michael Moore to Ann Coulter, I'm going to ask them to show me where Moore says that taking the vote away from men or from rich people is a dream of his.
Seriously! When has Michael Moore said that we should invade a country and convert them to Christianity (Oh yeah, America's a Christian nation, I forgot about that...)?

I'm not really that surprised that something like this came out of Coulter's mouth. She does nothing but spew ignorance and hate but promotes it as "honesty".

She obviously does not realize that women's rights give her the unfortunate ability and outlets to spew this hateful nonsense. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans continued to distance themselves from her.

I don't think for Ann it's so much about taking away ALL women's right to vote, just the "stupid" women who vote for the Democrats. I'm sure she votes and I'm sure she doesn't have a problem with someone like Laura Bush voting (and I couldn't imagine her pitching this bullshit to either Laura Bush or Condelezza Rice).

To take away democratic voting women would be to cripple the Democrats, because, as someone stated above, they seem to actually CARE about women's rights, you know, as human beings. Unlike the Republicans. So for Coulter, perhaps it would be like taking one for the team, if all women (including her) lost the right to vote then the Democrats might be screwed.

What I don't understand is how in this fucking day and age we still can't get pundits to see women as thinking, feeling human beings. Women are still considered children by a big portion of our government.

Last time I checked, the "soccer moms" (a term I loathe) weren't a strictly democratic-voting demographic group. They've leaned more toward the republicans in the last couple of elections.
Isn't politics Coulter's job?

Before she insults an entire demographic group, shouldn't she at least know who they are?

There are so many smart women. Why, why, WHY is she still on t.v.? I'd welcome a smart, right-leaning woman (oxymoron?) over Coulter.

Moxie Hart, I *completely* agree with your comment.

What I don't understand is how in this fucking day and age we still can't get pundits to see women as thinking, feeling human beings. Women are still considered children by a big portion of our government.
I'd amend that to "Women are still considered children by a big portion of humanity." Maybe I just have to deal with a lot of horrible people, but it seems really hard to convince some men and women that women are deserving of all the rights and responsibilities all humans.

And oh yes, let's not forget Ann Coulter has another book coming out soon, so expect more of this drivel. It's really the only way she can get attention now anyways.

And as far as I know, the only progressive male who'd touch her with anything less than a 50 foot cattle prod is Henry Rollins.

LOVED that Letter From Henry, Burbank. Favorite line; "But most of all, Ann, you will learn to shut the fuck up. Yours Truly, Henry." :)

I feel so sad for Coulter. Someone needs to give her Eisler's "Chalice and the Blade" so she could see the way the dominator story came to be--and how she's acting out this role.

But as a counselor, its also sad because she's clearly exhibiting a lack of healthy boundaries/SELF and doesn't even realize it.

I feel so sad for Coulter. Someone needs to give her Eisler's "Chalice and the Blade" so she could see the way the dominator story came to be--and how she's acting out this role.

I'm a counselor and when I hear this coming from her, its so sad because she's clearly exhibiting a lack of healthy boundaries/SELF and doesn't even realize it.

Is this because as a transvestite taking the vote away from women wouldn't change her ability to vote?

Dear Ann Coulter,

....wait, what?

Sincerely,
voting-for-the-first-time-in-2008

She should also read Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale. The character Serena Joy (who campaigned against women's rights and for the oppression of women in the home, only to see her goals realized and herself confined to a dull, limiting existence as a wife) could be a very apt warning for Coulter.

She should also read Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale. The character Serena Joy (who campaigned against women's rights and for the oppression of women in the home, only to see her goals realized and herself confined to a dull, limiting existence as a wife) could be a very apt warning for Coulter.
I love that book so much. It just scares me how much it mirrors current times.

Yeah, I think Coulter should be attacked for about a thousand different reasons, but in this case, at least in the "taking away a woman's right to vote," I think she's kidding. She clearly hates other women who would dare vote for a Democrat, but I think the "kinda a pipe dream" suggests that she's joking.

"I love that book so much. It just scares me how much it mirrors current times."

I agree. It is pretty scary, and an excellent book.

Bethlives,
I absolutely agree with you. I feel sorry for her, because she must hate herself. How in the world does she reconcile her gender with the stuff she says about women? My guess is that she is one seriously repressed individual who doesn't comprehend that she is the embodiment of a contradiction. I am beginning to suspect (mmmm, more like hope) that she continues to receive publicity because she has become a joke...I mean seriously, anytime I see her name nowadays I sighh, say "what now?" and then snicker or simply shake my head (because I feel sorry for her). She's a joke to me, and by the sounds of a lot of folks, she's a joke to them.

This quote kind of epitomizes the entire problem with the republican party - it is only interested in the interests of privileged white men and the insane (any woman supporting this messed up system).

This quote kind of epitomizes the entire problem with the republican party - it is only interested in the interests of privileged white men and the insane (any woman supporting this messed up system).

Coulter is a stupid fascist. I don't pay any attention to her just because she only says these things to put money in her pocket. The research shows that the more controversial she is, the more money she makes. I just wish people would stop giving her attention.

It truly amazes me how women can oppress their own. It makes me think of Handmaid's Tale.

Don't pay attention to the whack job behind the curtain, she does this for notoriety only to sell books. She also wants to know what does she have to do to get a FATWAH on her so she can sell more books like Rushdie....

This quote kind of epitomizes the entire problem with the republican party - it is only interested in the interests of privileged white men and the insane (any woman supporting this messed up system).

That brings up a good point. If Coulter, even in jest, suggested taking away the right of the black community to vote all hell might break loose. I think this shows that she can get away with the nonsense because she's "attacking" a demographic that collectively is seen as okay to "attack".

One of these days, Ann Coulter is going to dramatically remove some sort of mask and be like, "JUST KIDDING!" And then we'll all realize that the things she said were so unbelievable because they were all just a huge practical joke. Right?

...Right?

ann coulter is a fascist moron who will say anything to sell books.

i try to give her as little air time as possible by generally ignoring everything she says. i'd rather not even give a hint of acknowledging her as a legitimate thinker. i don't know if she even believes half of what she says or writes, but i don't really care.

Is this because as a transvestite taking the vote away from women wouldn't change her ability to vote?

Why can there not be a thread on Ann Coulter without misogynist or transphobic comments? Seriously, it degenerates into how ugly she is, or how she's *gasp* a MAN, Every. Single. Time. I think it's really nasty, and surely she's odious enough all by herself without having to sink to that level.

Lauren, someone made a fake yahoo news article that was sooo believable. It talked about how she was just in it to see how many people would agree with some of the outrageous crap she says in her books/interviews. In my heart I wanted it to be true. Although in the fake article it said she was trans, so that kind of made me not believe it.

Sorry, it's physically impossible for me to care about anything (M)Ann Coulter says. And as she becomes more irrelevant, she's only going to get shriller and more insane, so I suggest everyone start preemptively ignoring her now.

What I don't understand is why she thinks women voting for Democrats are stupid. Is it stupid for us to prefer a party that makes some attempt at furthering our interests over one that's actively working to make us worse off? Last time I checked, acting on one's own interests was a sign of rationality, not stupidity.

Maybe she thinks people should fit themselves to institutions, rather than the other way round.

Also, I fourth, fifth, nth, whatever, the motion to have her read The Handmaid's Tale. Do you think she'd read it if one of us mailed it to her? Because I'd do that.

LivvySidhe: "it degenerates into how ugly she is, or how she's *gasp* a MAN, Every. Single. Time. I think it's really nasty, and surely she's odious enough all by herself without having to sink to that level."

Very nice of you to put ugly women and men as beneath odious.

I'm saying reducing women to their appearance and calling transgendered people objects of ridicule is nasty. Not that I really think your reading comprehension is that bad, but I'll bite anyhow.

This women is such an idiot, I don't even know why we waste all of our energy getting angry about her.

Livvy, what you meant was pretty clear to me, and I completely agree. We shouldn't be using "transvestite" as an insult, nor should we be judging other women on their appearance, no matter how nasty the woman in question happens to be.

I really think (or maybe just hope) that she doesn't even believe half the crap she says and writes but just does it because bad publicity is keeps her name in the news and sells books. As detestable as her actions are, personal attacks like calling her a man or transvestite completely undermine any legitimate criticism. That is the same kind of strategy she employs, like calling John Edwards a faggot instead of rationally criticizing his politics. I would like to think that most of the commenters here are above that tactic.

Coulter, just don't vote in 2008. That way you can live a little piece of your "pipe dream."

(but really posting that statement makes me a bit anxious. folks actually going to the polls is important . . )

There's this idea that only white males are "real" American voters. A few months ago some talking head (Tweety?) floated the question of whether the Dems could win without African-Americans, and Coulter and her ilk say the Dems couldn't win without women ... but who is asking if the Republicans would have a viable party without white men?

Let's face it, if Southern white men could not vote, the Republican party couldn't win a national election, full stop. The rest of us, the rest of the voters that make up a polity that "looks like America" in Bill Clinton's famous phrase, we're forced to endure these evil and incompetent morons, and to pander to their insane policies, because of a single bloc of minority votes: Southern white men.

Burbank! Great name for a band -- but make it "Kiss Ann Coulter" so it can still totally gross people out, but not put you in the position of "making death threats" because you know if it takes off, she's going to make a big deal out of it.

Personally, I want to start a punk reggae band called "Big Pharma and the Gun Lobby" in honor of one week in Texas History where Rick Perry (R-governor, Texas) got caught taking bribes to back legislation requiring inoculation -- and (in the same week!) tried to lift the restriction on carrying concealed weapons into schools, bars, jobs and churches -- because -- AND I QUOTE:

“I think it makes sense for Texans to be able to protect themselves from deranged individuals, whether they’re in church, or whether on a college campus or wherever they are..."

Now I won't dispute the probability of running into deranged individuals in church, but really someone should explain to old Ricky Rickerino there's an easier solution to the deranged-individuals-in-church problem than carrying a GUN up into the choir loft with you. How about Just don't go there! How hard is that to figure out?

Of course mAnne Coulter would want to continue to get idiots like this elected with her all-male dream electorate. Why am I not surprised. Let's do a Reggae Punk version of Elvis Costello's "Big Boys:"

"And you try / sooo hard / to be like the big boys."

I understand why a blog like this has to address Ann's comments, if only as an exercise. But why she gets attention in any other political forum is beyond me. She is patently unreliable and ecumenically discredited. Captain Kangaroo was more of a Kangaroo than this woman is a political commentator. She belongs on an ensemble reality show (which, in turn, belongs on a trash heep in space), just like all the other fame-addicted freakshows.

Ann: YOU FIRST.

(My favorite all-time nickname for Coulter: "Paris Hitler.")

Is Ann Coulter a woman?

I always thought she was a demon sent by satan to spread smallpox and eat the flesh of children.

When I was little, I thought I saw the boogeyman, but it was just a clip of Ann Coulter.

As a guy who intends to vote democrat in '08, I have a problem with anyone who says that health care, day care and tuition are "women's issues." I'm as big a fan of social programs as anyone I know.

Has anyone noticed that, recently, Ann Coulter is started to sound like Ayn Rand's crazy, mentally deficient sister.?

The Republican Party ought to be hanging its head in shame, that it has so much difficulty getting women to vote for it.

I don't take anything that Ann Coulter says seriously. Did you ever notice that whenever she says something, she has this blank, unfocused look in her eyes? It looks like she's dissociating. Or else she looks like she's rehearsing what she wants to say in her head a few times, as if afraid she just might say something completely stupid. Good thing!

And I am reminded once again how amazing everyone here is. I can't even start to address the pure geniousity in the comments section. As for Coulter: Ugh, despise her- my theory is if we just stop paying any attention to her, maybe she will go away... Worth a shot?

Everytime I look at Ann Coulter I think to myself, "why aren't more people pro-choice? This seems like a big motivator."

Right. But I do agree with the earlier poster who said this was a big hoax. Like five years from now, she's gonna be on Faux News, and she's going to be in the middle of one of her batshit crazy rants and she's gonna yell "PSYCH! Gotcha!"

More realistically, it's her job to make the policies of the Republican party seem moderate and reasonable by comparison to her schizophrenic ranting.

Soccer moms...

Soccer moms live in the burbs and already have great public education for their kids. Healthcare and education is more appealing to working-class women and men.

But whatever, Coulter is a washed up self-parody. I just laugh at her.

Oh, and you're welcome for all those rights women won for you before you were born, Ms. Coulter... a strong willed if misguided and willfully ignorant single woman.

Just by opening her trap, Ann Coulter is exposing every dirty little GOP secret -- long confirming what I though when I became pro-choice in 2003: the GOP wants to abolish Title IX and abolish the 19th Amendment.

Her entire shtick is making completely outrageous statements that get her lots of hits and press. I am pretty sure she is happy with all the attention this gets her.

Ann Coulter is an embarassment to humanity. Period.

um...what?

I think Coulter is correct -- women are a major disappointment. For Conservative movement, that is.

Let us start with the mathematical aptitude of women. Don't deny: on the average, not as good as that of men. This could give rise to some hope, but NO! somehow women are more distrustful of phony budget numbers then men.

Or take compassion, which again, statistically, is more characteristic for women. Conservatives hoped to chanel it into "pro-life" concern, but NO, they care about healthcare and some such.

Coulter actually understands it well, and indeed, single women are more reliable as Democrat voters than married women, and the latter were a big swing category -- for two cycles, security concerns swayed many toward GOP, and now they are back. Conservatists (notably, neocons) wanted to re-mold national imagination in a militaristic vein, and now this project seems to unravel.

To summarize, Coulter is not such an idiot in terms of IQ or knowledge, her problem is that she is a raving maniac. And she is correctly disturbed by the relative paucity of raving maniacs among women (unlike, say, college frat boys or southern white males).

Why does she not step down from the feminine gender, or can we make her resign from it, you know someone spewing such crap against it does not deserve to be a woman,
lets stop acknowledging her as such.

wagadog, did you really just suggest that the obvious solution to avoiding deranged individuals from whom one might protect oneself with a concealed weapon is... don't go to church? REALLY?

I don't even know where to start with that.

Thanks so much for narrowing the issue down entirely to the suggestion that churches are full of deranged people.

Thanks even more for suggesting that religion is so deranged, in fact, that one should assume this, and forget any importance religious devotion has in one's life, and not go.

Thanks finally for the suggestion that simply avoiding deranged people who are dangers to themselves and others is any sort of solution at all - Hey, it's okay! The crazy dangerous people can all hang out in the churches, and we smart enlightened ones will avoid the churches, thereby making everything dandy! (After all, they never appear on school campuses, in post offices, or city streets, indicating a larger societal problem.)

I am not a proponent of an armed population. I am not an evangelical, fundamentalist, or any of the other religious types who can be so offensive, especially to feminist causes in the US. I am a liberal, a feminist, and a very rational person. But there's also room for religion in my life, and I'm trying very hard not to say "fuck you very much" for your arrogant, unkind, and narrow minded classification of churches as 'deranged'.

So. You know. Watch it with those comments, would you? You open yourself to comparisons with other narrow minded, unkind and arrogant commentators who think they know what's best for others, and can call huge sections of the population stupid because they're so much smarter.

Ann Coulter's continued nonsense deserves no comment.

Combine that with the usual insistence that women should marry (and stay married, bitch) in its proper context, if they believe that married women are more conservative voters.

Bleurgh.

"If we took away women’s right to vote....then we would take away their right to free speech, speech in public, which would mean women like me, ann coutler, would be chained to the kitchen at home with tape over my mouth"
everyone's pretty much said it-this womans stupidy is blaringly obvious.

"Thanks so much for narrowing the issue down entirely to the suggestion that churches are full of deranged people."

Guffaw!

It was the Republican Governor of Texas, Rick Perry who seems to have such a problem with deranged people in church that he feels it necessary that people (presumably the measurably not-deranged people) be allowed to carry concealed weapons there.

Me, I'll just take his word for it. For all I know, it's something in the holy water.

I think it would be funny, if he actually did get that law passed, to have a bunch of people show up at church with guns (legal), and another bunch of people show up with vibrators (illegal) and see who gets arrested first.

I can just see the headline in the Statesman now:

"Guns Don't Kill People, Dildoes Do!"

Self-hate is so hot this season, Ann. Nothing wins brownie points like saying you don't deserve the rights you're exercising. BAH.

Coulter and other anti-suffrage conservative women remind me of the American traitors in Cold War spy stories who get dragged off and killed by their masters after they've served their purpose: "No! You can't make me barefoot and pregnant! I served you well! I was loyal!"

Of course the good news is - if men were denied the right to vote you wouldn't have to worry about a Republican leadership. And that would actually make me sleep better at night.

My views by the way on Ms Coulter are expressed here. Only for the benefit of those who are not easily offended.

jstein, she hates women and democrats and now, it seems, she hates men. well, she hates reasonably intelligent men such as yourself who value health care, education, childcare, etc. hard to imagine (/snark).

1. Ann Coulter is probably smarter than most of you, put together. Top of her class at Cornell; Michigan Law Review; DOJ. I'm ready for "That doesn't mean you're smart!" but face it, kids, she's got a helluva brain and is more accomplished than most of us will ever be.

2. Um, Ann has nothing against first wave feminism. It is the much-vaunted third wave that she decries, and that is her prerogative. She can be happy with the work of the first round of feminists, thank them for their help, but not really be into the third wave.

3. Gotta love the hypocrisy. Ann Coulter is in her 40s (correct?), but someone, y'all think that she owes women in their 20s for her accomplishments. Riiight.

I should have known Oenophile would relate to Coulter.

George W. Bush is more accomplished than most of us will ever be, as well. He's the leader of the free world. Doesn't mean he doesn't use his position for evil. Doesn't mean he deserves our respect or has ideas worth listening to.

I won't lie, I'm tempted to resort to grade school here and call her a man (but I mean really, the Adam's apple is huge). But I won't because that would just feed into her insane little games.

As someone mentioned early on the comment thread, what right does she think she has to spout off political views if she thinks women shouldn't even have the right to vote?

Is there a way we can exile her from out gender?

"As someone mentioned early on the comment thread, what right does she think she has to spout off political views if she thinks women shouldn't even have the right to vote?"

Some people seem to think they can get more sympathy if they have fewer rights, and would rather have more sympathy than more rights.

Maybe Coulter misses the "good old days" when low-income unmarried women were supposedly told "no wonder, you don't have a husband, you poor thing" instead of "get a job"...?

Actually, oenophile, given that the first-wave feminists largely focused their efforts on securing for women the right to vote, it doesn't sound like Coulter respects or admires them at all. And I'd love to see the the loads of positive stuff she must say about the second-wave feminists who made her success possible.

I ain't your kid, and I'm pretty much as smart as they come. I've got my own set of degrees, and Coulter strikes me as a craven, attention-seeking nitwit.

You know what? I think it’s very becoming that oeno should be defending Ann Coulter.
By the way, it’s good having you around here again, EG.

You know what? I think it’s very becoming that oeno should be defending Ann Coulter.
By the way, it’s good having you around here again, EG.

Oenophile, when has Ann Coulter ever thanked any feminist for their help?
As for her having a "helluva brain" I've read her books and they're well, stupid. Full of inaccuracies, lies and her trademark ranting.
And even if she were a super-genius, her repeated calls to have people killed (John Paul Stevens, the NYT staff) would alienate me.
On another note, I read and was fascinated by the loathsome site Livy linked to. And fascinated by what a cliche "Women voting is what gave us the nanny state" has become on the right, parroted endlessly without a shred of proof. And the answer is ALWAYS to question whether women have the vote, not to, say, persuade them to change their minds, which would require argument and logic. Nor do they suggest that men who support "the nanny state" should be outlawed from voting.
Funny, a few years ago, when I first came across the anti-suffragists, it was two or three fringe Web sites. Now it's something conservatives feel free to discuss in the mainstream (John Lott in that link, Anne Coulter, another townhall.com columnist).
Meanwhile, John Stossel suggests that people who don't agree with him on free markets shouldn't be allowed to vote, and Jonah Goldberg thinks people who don't understand how the system works should be banned from voting (I would bet money he's not talking about Cheney's belief in the Fourth Branch of the government). So apparently it's the right wing's new favored solution to staying in office.
Conservatives are walking over the cliff and doing their best to drag everyone down and fall on top of them.

There are at least a half-dozen posters who have said that she is dumb, stupid, or otherwise mentally challenged. Fact is, she's not... and it's really telling about YOU when you use that particular insult.

Fact is, she's really freaking smart. I do suspect that's what really pisses you all off about her - if she were the blithering idiot y'all would like to think that conservative women are, she wouldn't be a threat.

My point: don't say she's an idiot. Attack the ideas, not the person.

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As for women's suffrage & the Nanny State: correlation does not equal causation. A few years prior to the passage of the 19th Amendment, the 17th Amendment was passed. That was the first step in the centralisation of power and the Nanny State. The federal government was no longer accountable to the states, which enabled it to usurp state power and grow in size.

Second big thing that created the Nanny State: the Depression and FDR's proposals to end it. Some were sound; some, like Social Security, are massive pyramid schemes.

Third element: the Supreme Court's radical re-interpretation of the Commerce Clause, which has enabled Congress and the Executive to implement, nationally, damn near any policy they want.

None of those things are remotely related to the female vote. After all, women couldn't vote on the 17th Amendment, weren't on the Supreme Court when it wrote Wickhard, and have never held the Presidency. So blame men, not the women who may have voted for them.

On the nanny state issue, I agree with you, oenophile. Unfortunately, there seems to be a body of right-wingers who don't.
Please note, by the way I attacked her for writing books and columns full of inaccurate bullshit, which is true regardless of how intelligent she may really be. Did you know, for example, that all DNA evidence exonerating criminals has been faked as part of a liberal conspiracy (a column of a few years ago, sorry I don't have the links?).
And I find her politics proto-fascist, from her endorsement of violence (even "a little local fascism") to her comments on denying the vote.
And frankly I don't see the slightest evidence beyond her school records that she's as amazingly smart as you think. Success and celebrity are hardly proof of intellectual achievement, especially when her writing is so factually inaccurate
Though I concede that she's writing for an audience a large part of which I suspect just wants to be told "Liberals are evil!" and have their worldview affirmed, so I doubt they care about the errors.

Shadow

Please look upthread to all of the people who say that she is stupid. The theory seems to be that smart women cannot disagree with feminists. My comments were aimed solely and expressly at those who have such views.

Thanks, sojourner! It's good to see you/be back, too.

Actually, oenophile, the theory is that smart women would advocate doing away with their own right to vote; a corollary might be that smart women can tell the difference between single women and soccer moms.

You can keep saying she's smart, but that won't make it true.

"the theory is that smart women wouldn't advocate doing away with their own right to vote."

Smart women should proofread before hitting "post," but we don't always, alas.

Oenophile, your post further up was lecturing commenters about hypocrisy. Don't you think grumbling about name-calling while complimenting a woman who makes a career out of insulting and belittling people is well, contradictory?

Do you ever get the feeling that Coulter spews all this essentially self-deprecating, extremist rhetoric to receive approval from men, as if her main goal is not to actually put forth her own opinions but rather to receive the proverbial pat on the head from men she blindly respects? That might also explain her emaciated appearance.

I feel bad for her; she's obviously extremely self-conscious, and she probably needs real help.

I think Coulter is basically a troll, and her comments are just for shock. I suspect a large number of people who buy her books are in on joke.

So don't worry about her so much and she'll disappear.

EG - and your saying she's stupid doesn't make it so, either. (I know it pisses most everyone here off that she has such a stellar resume - you have to resort to "She's stupid! She's dumb!" to ignore the fact that she's smarter than all of you put together.)

Considering that almost 40% of children are born out of wedlock, why do you say that soccer moms aren't single? Oh, yeah, let's not forget the divorce rate. Maybe you're living in Pleasantville, where every soccer mom has a perfect life, a nice husband who works 9-5, and a picket fence.

Oenophile, your post further up was lecturing commenters about hypocrisy. Don't you think grumbling about name-calling while complimenting a woman who makes a career out of insulting and belittling people is well, contradictory?

No. Ann Coulter is really freakin smart. Such is not a moral sanction (except, of course, in Feministing, where Amanda Marcotte - Miss West Texas - is apparently smarter than Ivy-educated, law-degree holding Ann Coulter. Here, smart = toeing the feminist line. Just pointing out that there are alternate definitions.)

FYI: I think that Justice Stevens is really freaking smart, too, but I disagree with most of his opinions and think that he is misguided. So I guess, though, that is contradictory, because smart people always act in a uniform manner....?????

Oenophile,

Why then, aren’t you able to respond to “the theory is that smart women wouldn't advocate doing away with their own right to vote�?
If you really think Ann Coulter pisses us ( that is, all reasonable people everywhere) off because she is smart (?!) you are delusional. Conservative women are disgusting in the same way that a black person advocating for bringing back slavery would be; Ann Coulter especially so, because she is just vile.

Oh, and I don’t know what this has anything to do with Amanda Marcotte?! I have never met the woman but I know she is smart because unlike Coulter she writes very smart things; I don’t need to look at her resume to know that. And is Miss West Texas supposed to be an insult? Why don’t you follow your own advice and “Attack the ideas, not the person� (or in this case their birthplace?).

Not to mention, a resume and an ivy league degree does not mean a person is smart. I know my fair share of people at ivy league schools, and the school I go to isn't too far off, and except for being relatively good at bookwork there is a considerable range of abilities in there.

And I guess the issue is really that smart can be defined in different ways -if you had a near-photographic memory, for instance, you'd probably do fine at an ivy league school. But that doesn't make you a good critical thinker. Other people can write a paper that will please a stuffy old professor -but I listen to them pontificate and think "you have had no real-world experience, you have no idea what economic struggle feels like" etc.

"Not to mention, a resume and an ivy league degree does not mean a person is smart. I know my fair share of people at ivy league schools, and the school I go to isn't too far off, and except for being relatively good at bookwork there is a considerable range of abilities in there."

I got the impression that one can be smarter in some subjects (including academic subjects and other areas) than in some other subjects. While an Ivy League student is likely smart at some things, she or he can still be stupid at some other things.

Oenophile is just doing the same thing as Coulter, trying to be inflammatory to make her/himself feel special. I'd say Coulter is smarter than Oenophile, though, considering that at least she's getting paid for her shock value, which is the only reason she does it anyway. To me, both people seem like a waste of our time.

Conservative women are disgusting in the same way that a black person advocating for bringing back slavery would be
So many sad stereotypes in there, so little time. Where should I start? If "Republican" is a decent proxy for "conservative," why are you hating on 45% of American women?

I got the impression that one can be smarter in some subjects (including academic subjects and other areas) than in some other subjects. While an Ivy League student is likely smart at some things, she or he can still be stupid at some other things.

The assertion was not "stupid at some things," it was "stupid," "dumb," or the like. So no wiggle room there. She has a brain in her head... which pisses off every liberal woman in the world. Kind of junks the idea that conservative women are brainless bimbos who just want the patriarchy to pat them on the head, no?

...just another day, smashing a few more stereotypes for those who still don't get it....

I don't think that fact that Coulter "has a brain in her head" is what "pisses off every liberal woman in the world" (nice hyperbole).
Technically every single sentient being also has a brain in his or her head, right? I what bothers most people about Coulter is that fact that she uses said brain to say racist, misogynist, anti-democratic and offensively craven remarks.
Are you being satirical, oenophile?

I don't think that fact that Coulter "has a brain in her head" is what "pisses off every liberal woman in the world" (nice hyperbole).
Technically every single sentient being also has a brain in his or her head, right? I think what bothers most people about Coulter is that fact that she uses said brain to say racist, misogynist, anti-democratic and offensively craven remarks.
Are you being satirical, oenophile?

Thomas, I agree with your point but I would like to say that I grew up in the South and now live in NYC and SOUTHERN white men aren't the only ones voting Repub.

Not buying it, Oenophile. The proof for Ann Coulter's stupidity lies in her poorly-written books and articles, and in her public appearances wherein she is clearly stumped whenever she's called upon to do anything other than make ad ho