Seriously getting sick of the sex-ed ridiculousness and i work for Planned Parenthood. Come on people...ABSTINENCE ONLY IS NOW EFFECTIVE. But I'm still going to keep on the education and fight against it...just getting exhausted.

But I must say it's refreshing to read this post and laugh a good head-shaking laugh...I want to make a button that says "Keep your sticky to yourself, kids".

L. O. L. These people have such juvenile notions of sex: it's like they're stuck being children. Maybe that's why they're so concerned with 'adult topics'. Plus, sounds like Mr. Love needs to hire a Pookie or a Ray-Ray. He's got some nasty stuff on his floor...

NOT effective. NOT NOT NOT...spelling error, my bad!

Fortunately, there's always more scotch tape when you need it...

I still love the naive idea that marriage=monogamy and ideal. Like there's no cheating or divorce or recreational sex through open marriage etc. People commit themselves to marriage "under god" every day and I still see a lot of tape getting dirty ;)

"You have to look at why sex was created, sex was designed to bond two people together."

Funny, I always thought that sex was created to reproduce more people and animals and thus keep the world going.

Sex was neither created nor designed.
And "bonding two people together" is not it's only function. When cats have sex - is that two people bonding together?

“Sex was designed to bond two people together.”

But... wait... I thought the sex was Only For Making Babies. Isn't that why gay marriage, abortion and contraception are an Evil Threat To Civilization As We Know It?

Gee whillikers, I wish these people would get their stories straight.

41st Carnival of the Feminists now up at my place!

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See, it's after reading quotes like that that I wonder how anyone could possibly take these people seriously.

Tape?? What??

If it's not tape it's a car metaphor, if it's not a car it's a candy bar or a sucker.

These people have absolutely no idea how sex actually works and that you can do it until you up and die and the results will (usually) be the same regardless. Human sexuality isn't just for bringing two people closer, it isn't just for making babies (or else female humans would go into heat), it's a combination of a lot of things, including recreation and enjoyment. The fundies can't wrap their heads around that notion.

Lakita Garth Wright is under the mistaken impression (from her grandparents no less) that once you have that ring on your finger your sex is elevated to this higher plane, above pre-marital sex and it's gonna make both of you happy and keep your husband from straying. I hope for her she meets a man who will be faithful, but given fundie tendencies (HELLO! Sen. Vitters!) I highly doubt it.

sad....reading that, we all laugh like "wow how ridiculous" ... but its just sad that those people are ACTUALLY taken seriously.

and also, if we're going by that dude's definition of the purpose of sex (to bond two people together)...then same sex relationships should be A-OK in his book, no?

These people should just come out and say "Women who aren't virgins on their wedding day are damaged goods."

“they gave the stickiness away.”

Right, because human beings have a finite number of times in which they can have sex, and once you hit that number, you can't do it anymore. Makes perfect sense to me!

We just need to work out what that finite number is, and we're golden! Of course, we'll need to know if masturbation counts, or oral, or non-PIV sex...damn, this could be tricky...

So, anyone here run out of sex yet?

If these people are using dumb ass analogies like sticky tape in the classroom... no wonder why abstinence only ed. is just about done. Which is a good thing... just keep running your mouths fundies.. .you sound more stupid by the minute. Can you picture a class full of high schoolers trying to sit thru this stuff without gagging

I wonder if Mr. Love has actually ever seen a real life vagina. The ehm, stickiness, generally replenishes its self after a little break.

though if you put a bunch of dirt, lint, and a small metal bolt down there you might have a problem. That and you should probably vacuum a bit more thoroughly.

Another day, Sen. Vitter was accused of shunning local labor from Louisiana, which was quite mean and baseless. At least two stories circulate about his Louisiana exploits.

Similarly, I think that with, or without, rich sexual experience one can opt for inept metafores or not. Most probably, these people think that children are (or should be) innocent, which means kind of stupid, and thus the way to reach to their mind is to talk in a very silly manner.

Steph: I think that monogamy is still an ideal.

Careful driving that does not cause any accidents is an ideal, seatbelts are nevertheless a good idea. When I was a wee lad and we had sex ed, our Catholic biology teacher stressed the point of the monogamy ideal, but followed the program even so.

As a social goal, reducing the extramarital sex to a small fraction of the current is so unrealistic that one should proceed straight to Plan B (and besides, who is really advocating that for 30-something single people? for college students?). OTOH, the goal of reducing unplanned pregnancies and STD infections to a small fraction of the current is quite sensible. Limited public resources should be directed where they can be most effective.

One of the quite limited resources is the amount of bullshit our teens can gladly swallow.

I call bullshit of the bait-and-switch variety.

He said sex is for bonding people together---so why did he go and do something completely off-the-wall (literally) to represent premarital sex? It looks as if he chose that running-it-through-the-dust deal, not to accurately represent premarital sex, but to deliberately make the tape unsticky, so he could call it "post-premarital-sex person" and make it look like his theory works. Sorry, asshole, but your say-so doesn't make premarital sex partners into dust instead of tape.

You know, my high school was abstinence only, and my brother recently graduated. He's also now in the first serious relationship he's ever had, and I'm 99% sure they're both still virgins. What did I do? I went out and bought him condoms, lube, dental dams and Plan B. I'm also taking him to Scarleteen.com which is real world sex education and sexual health information, and telling him to show the website to his girlfriend too. I'll do the same thing for my younger sister once she's in high school.

Teenagers want to have sex. They'll want to have if even if no one tells them they should. It's hormones. We have the resources now to make sex very safe and consequence free for these teenagers, and I don't see any reason why we should act like it's a big secret. Give them the information they need to make an informed decision as to whether they want to have sex or not. Not give them dumb tape metaphors.

Maybe it's just because I'm really tired today, but it seemed like his 'speech' was just a random string of words and not actually a coherent point.

Also, I find it ironic and a little creepy that his last name was 'Love.'

my marriage is actually falling apart right now, but we were both virgins when we got married. what gives mr. love? (ironic last name, no?)

Oh my god, you mean Pookie wasn't that guy's real name???

This part of the nytimes article just blew me away:

Mr. Rector says viewing abstinence primarily through the lens of public health distracted the focus from marriage. “Once you understand that that’s the principal issue,” he said, “you understand that handing out condoms to a 17-year-old is utterly irrelevant.”

Whaaaaat? So the abstinence-until-marriage people don't even attempt to defend it by saying it's to prevent STDs or getting pregnant. Nope. It's all about waiting until marriage. That's it. They are so totally and blatantly imposing religious-based moral beliefs on people and they get federal funding to do it! It drives me crazy!

Why do they think it's so witty to compare two human beings having sex before marriage to tape and gum that's already been chewed. You can't compare humans with tape. It makes no sense!

I bet many marriages in which people abstained until the wedding night tried fucking and it was completely disappointing. That's how a christian wedding night begins and a christian marriage ends.

Ok, come on. Mr. Rector, Mr. Love. This is a joke right?

A friend of mine who was raised very Catholic once told me about another dumb abstinence-only metaphor she'd encountered (unfortunately, she bought it) which asserted that sex was like getting a Christmas present. If you wait until Christmas, you get a wonderful surprise. If you don't, and sneak a peek inside the box before Christmas, the gift is ruined.

I agree that "sneaking" a peek is probably not good for you, since having to sneak around creates unpleasant feelings of shame and guilt -- having to hide your sexuality is almost sure to make you feel bad about it. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with sharing some very lovely gifts with multiple people in your lifetime, provided you do so because you'd like to and not because you felt obligated to get them something. ;)

Genny, I used to love Scarleteen.com. When I was in high school, the family's computer was right out in the open so I had to sneak peeks when I got the chance. Mom and dad wouldn't have approved. Anyway, that's awesome what you're doing for your little sibs. They'll be so much better off for it.

I wish this were the death tolls of abstinence-only ed. But here in the Midwest, it's alive and well. A couple of my coworkers were just talking about how great the recent abstinence-only speaker was at the local high school.

On a side note: My hunt for a nickname for my breasts is over! They will heretofore be known as Pookie and Ray-Ray.

someone please direct that moron to this site

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp92425_334918_sespider/scotch/magic_tape_refill_3_pack_34_in__x_36_yd.htm

Thanks, SarahMC. My brother thinks that anyone would kill to have me for a big sister (after I told him what I was doing for him) and I pointed out that his girlfriend's parents might disagree. And Scarleteen is a great resource, I wish I'd known about it when I was first becoming sexually active, I think some things there might've made a big difference for me.

And PamelaV, that's what I was thinking. "But, there's a whole roll of tape! And you could always buy more!" I wonder what that means in the metaphorical context?

The main problem with all these metaphors is the fact that they view sex and love as finite resources, and choose finite resources to represent sex and love in their stupid stories. Like, tape, for instance. They're assuming you only get one roll of tape to use for life. First of all, with tape you can always buy more if you run out. But it's not even possible to run out of sexuality! You don't even have to buy more because it's utterly unnecessary. Because it's not a finite resource or commodity! But they keep pretending it is!

That's pretty awesome, Genny. I bought my sister a Hitachi Magic Wand for her 14th birthday.

Sounds like Lakita Garth Wright is a self-hating Black person!!! Considering the low wages paid to non union janitors, would any reasonable employer not be surprised that a high proportion of their job applicants still lived with their parents?

Obviously, Ms Wright is not a reasonable employer - she's one of those middle class Blacks who desperately want to be accepted by White America, at any cost, so they echo White America's racist anti Black stereotypes!!!

"That's pretty awesome, Genny. I bought my sister a Hitachi Magic Wand for her 14th birthday."

If there was a best sister ever award, you'd win it. Seriously.

What. The. Shit.

I hate those shitting useless retarded abstinence-only dumbshits and their shitty little metaphors.

The flames of passion. The breaking heart. The rolling dice (for pregnancy). And now, the shitting sticky-tape metaphor? Bleh.

(I tend not to use "fuck" as an insult, because fucking is good. Shitting, on the other hand...necessary, but more than a little gross.)

okay, now i understand all of the reports of teenagers having anal sex to stay 'virgins' - the tape is double sided.