oh geez, men want power, women want love?
women need to be having children/starting families at 18-25?

i want that to be a joke. tell me it is!

Oh yes it is a joke. The problem is so many people seriously think that way that if it wasn’t categorized under humor I would totally believe it’s for real.

That girl is a lost cause with a broken realtionship at age 20?

Can't wait to see what she thinks when she still isn't married age 25. Will she start the next fad?

Sorry folks; it's a real article (just do a Google search on the author). I put it under humor because I think antifeminist nuts are funny...

Wow, I actually feel physically ill after reading this. "Ideally you will marry and start a family before going to university, if you go at all."
What year is it? Did I go back in time???

I am nauseated.

I love that this guy is a Ph.D and writes like this: "woman's tender tendrils of trust".

That's it - I'm no longer applying to Ph.D. programs. Oh wait, yes, I am, in WOMEN'S STUDIES!!!!

And I'm 25, guess my "apple tree" is all dried up.

This is too disturbing, and there is way too much here to be able to do it justice. I'd have to write a book to refute all this crap.

So it is for real?! Wow! But how can a real person be so ridiculous?! What a wacko! I wish I had not read it then, because I am about to vomit now.
I think we should email the guy and let him know what we think about his nonsense.
“Stop being "smarter, better, faster" than the men you meet.� because we men are such immature little boys that we can’t stand a woman who is "smarter, better, faster" than us.

“Domestic violence was publicized to trample on woman's tender tendrils of trust.� Because you women should just shut up and take it when we beat you up!

Oh jeez....
maybe I will tell my 84 year old grandmother, who lived in horrible proverty with seven children (my grandfather worked, he just didn't make enough money) that it was a mistake for her to go against his wishes, go to college in her 50's and become a teacher so she could feed her family. She constantly reminds my sisters and I how good we have it with access to birth control and the ability to support ourselves with jobs. Sorry,dude, but feminism really was a blessing to women.

ps. his phd is in english. As an graduate student in english, this certainly does not make him any sort of expert on society.

"They were taught heterosexuality and family by nature are oppressive to women. Domestic violence was publicized to trample on woman's tender tendrils of trust. As a result, the divorce rate doubled and the birth rate was cut in half. One third of all births are now out-of-wedlock."

Is he kidding? We weren't taught that heterosexuality and family are oppressive by nature you moron. But domestic violence sure is. Who knew that publicizing an international crisis of violence against women would increase divorce rates and wed-lock births? And clearly after 25, our precious apple trees are bound to shrivel up and die.

This is sickening but sadly its not so surprising anymore.

Ladies, I have to confess something to all of you... after reading that, I have been cured of my feminist delusions! It's such a relief, and a weight off my tender, delicate shoulders!

I guess I'm going to have to tell my boyfriend it's not working out when he finishes work tonight... he's a mere year and a half older than me. I will then explain to my new, older man that he's going to have to suffer through my awful cooking skills, because I have to make the home. It's just too bad if, like my current boyfriend, he actually enjoys cooking and is good at it. We must respect the natural division of labour! I must serve as the First Mate to his Captain on the great "ship" of love! Hopefully, the ship isn't called the "HMS Bounty." I wouldn't dare complain if it was, though. Domestic violence is feminist propoganda.

Shame on me for not realising this sooner, and having children before I went to university at age 17. What was I thinking, not getting impregnated by a man at least five years older than me during high school? Hopefully, the fact that I'm studying in the marketable Math/Science field makes up it. I've already discarded any ideas that I'm better at Math than the men who failed out of my program!

I don't know what I'm going to do about the sex thing, though. Am I already ruined? If I lie to my future husband and tell him he's the only one who has possessed me, will our relationship have the trust/love it needs?

I need guidance! Excuse me, I'm off to the library to read "Ladies Agains Feministm." I've been reading your fe-manist propoganda for far too long!

um, maybe I should tell my 84 year old grandmother (who had seven children and lived in horrible poverty not because her husband didn't work, but because he didn't make enough money) that it was a bad idea to go back to school against her husbands wishes so she could feed her family and have indoor plumbing installed. My grandmother reminds my sisters constantly how good we have it, with access to birth control and the ability to support ourselves. I guess I will have to tell her that she is wrong about that, her life of rural poverty was vastly superior because she fit into her female role.

You know what happens to women who listen to morons like this? They end up with a husband who is either a meth snorting closet case (ahem ted haggard), a guy who likes to beat them (yes they have to take it) and the lucky ones just end up with a husband who sleeps with everyone other then his wife bc shes too busy being the "perfect wife" and he doesn't want to come home to a woman who sits around and talks about the children all day.

oh my god, the "you cant be owned if you have been possessed by many" thing almost made me put my fist through my comp.

The only way I'm letting a man own me is if a relationship in which we are both equal suddenly turns very, very kinky. This guy should really go out to lunch with the idiots who came up with that "marry out of poverty" program.

You do have a good point, prairielily. Not all men want a 50s marriage anymore. Which is nice.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get pregnant before my apple blossoms dry up. *rolls eyes*

Unreal. I kept waiting for the punchline, because I've read many a feminist post that said the exact same things as a sarcastic parody of patriarchy. I can't believe that real people actually think this way.

I sent it to all of my dykey friends. I know a few too many who are Fist Mates to the wrong kind of Captains. Oops, I mean First Mates...

No, wait, actually this guy makes a lot of sense. I'll just call up my wife at work and explain to her that, while she's already messed up in her choice of men (I'm a mere six months older than her!), she's stuck with me because I've owned her ever since the first time we had sex way back in our first year of college. More importantly, we have to start breeding *right away*. She's 29, I'm 30, and we've wasted all this time since we were 18 *not getting her pregnant*! We're running out of time!

I'm sure she'll feel safe to return to the house in a few days. Maybe she'll even hold off on the restraining order if I tell her about how I need to "prepare the special ground" and she needs to "receive and nurture" my seed. She likes trashy romance novels. It should give her a laugh.

"Selects and prepares the special ground". Am I the only one who's getting horrible, horrible images of hitachi rototillers?

I'm my own damn captain. With dried-up apple blossoms, apparently. My doctor said I'm should have no trouble getting pregnant even though I'm 32, but what do I know? I went to college at 18 and have been busy supporting myself for the past ten years. Silly me, I should have been out there looking for an older man to take care of me like God intended. I do tend to like older women, though -- is that okay? Though in my relationships we tend to both be the captains. If we want to steer the boat in different directions, then we part. Damn, I'm so bad at this possessing/owning/being owned thing. I guess I need one of those role models that my pastor-person can help me find, except that I don't have one of those either.

I want to break from the evil feminist propaganda machine. Unfortunately, my husband and I have some problems fitting into Mr. Makow's heterosexual ideal. Do you guys have any suggestions or should I just right Mr. "Save the Males" directly?

While I did get married and have children before college (I was pregnant with my son when I graduated), Josh is 3 months younger than I am.

Actually, I think my Josh could be the problem. For some reason, he doesn't see me as a possession (more like a co-captain, if you can believe it) and has never made any attempt to have power over me. I look up to him, respect him, and trust him, but he looks up to me, respects me, and trusts me too.

My husband and children are more important to me than my education or future career goals. I know I'm on track there, but Josh seems to place me and the kids above education and work too. And when I finish my master's program, he actually wants to stay at home with our son while I financially support our family.

I accept that he is better, smarter, and faster than me in a lot of important areas. Unfortunately, those areas include doing the dishes, putting up laundry (he has a great system), and making breakfast. What's even worse, he respects that I am better at certain things than he is - even when it is outside my feminine duties.

We have looked into Christianity and we go to church and follow our minister's teachings, but our church's minister is a woman. And she seems to think that married/partnered couples should treat each other like equals. She encouraged one of our church's members to go to a battered women's shelter after her husband nearly beat her to death. And on top of everything, she performs gay and lesbian marriage ceremonies. Clearly, she can't help us. What do we do?

P.S. If you think that article is bad, you should check out the rest of the government conspiracy theory/woman-hating/anti-Jewish crap on the rest of his website. I honestly feel kinda sorry for the guy. I think he might need psychological care.

But damnit, you have to love that name:
http://www.savethemales.ca/reference.html

"The man selects and prepares the special ground and plants his seed. The woman receives and nurtures it."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

What. The. Fuck.

I really find it funny that these men see fit to blame women for leaving the home, when starting with the industrial revolution and leading into the society we have now has done more harm to the relm of men than women leaving to work do.

But this is priceless:

"The sex act is sacred. It is the ritual enactment of Act of Creation. The man selects and prepares the special ground and plants his seed. The woman receives and nurtures it. Often it is just his spirit she accepts."

WHAT!?! LOL. I had to bit my lip from laughing out loud at work. They really do love this plant metaphor don't they? Asshats.

Gee, I guess since I've slept with multiple men my future husband (if I ever have one) won't be able to "own" me. Darn!

His entire worldview is so upside-down. I'm the precise counterpoint to the crap he's spewing. I was in fact indoctrinated into *his* mixed-up way of seeing the world, and it took only a few short years to de-program two decades' worth of anti-woman indoctrination. If feminism is so contrary to nature, how could a few years lead me so astray when I had all the "proper" training and instruction about a woman's place in the world when I was growing up?

Gee, I think it might have something to do with the fact that I'm just *naturally* too intelligent, curious, and ambitious to be contented with being *told* what my choices ought to be. I don't have to work at being "better, smarter, and faster" than Mr. Makow (not calling him "Dr.", no sir -- that's an offense to my own doctorate degree); it just comes naturally. Have I done something wrong by being born brilliant? Perhaps my mother should have just aborted me then.

Oh, whoops! I got tangled up in illogic!

I'm 30... no kids yet... think I'll keep it that way just to piss guys like this off. :) My husband will definitely be down with that.

Sorry for the double post but:

My parents also totally did it WRONG! My mom spaced us apart acording to her wishes and stopped completely after three kids, and yet I'm sure she and my dad still have sex without the Enactment of Act of Creation, after my mother had me she gave me over to my dad and went back to work while he took care of me till it was time for me to go to kindergarden (oh! the emasculating horrors!!!)

When both parents were at home, they took turns getting up in the middle of the night to feed/change/etc. me.
My mom mowed the lawn sometimes, sometimes my dad would cook for us. My mom helped us with math (a woman!! MATH! *shudder*) my dad would read to us.

My father and mother taught me that "no means no" and that I shouldn't depend on a man to ever take care of me, nor should I let a man beat me and that I should go to college and get an education and lead the life that I wanted.

I turned out a-okay, though I'm sure mr. Save the Males (are they dying out or their ideals?) would disagree and call me a deranged Fe-manist (what the fuck does that mean?). Though he can kiss the fe-manist's ass.

Ideally you will marry and start a family before going to university, if you go at all. >>

Is this guy serious? I also love his intro that apparantly the only people who REALLY read his website are the ones who agree with him. As if his feminist critics some how missed something.

I for one will never feel bad about my education and desire for a career.

This offends me as a feminist and social worker. The idea that feminism is some illness that needs to be cured angers me as a women whose career involves helping the mentally ill.

I emailed the dude letting him know what a moron he is, and he sent me this in reply:

"Emily,

Marriage and children isn't for all women. I don;t know why you find my article so threatening.

henry"

What a tool. I said nothing about not being interested in marriage or children in my email, but somehow he assumed I was one of "those" feminists...

Feminist indoctrination? I love how the people who throw that word around do it while a.) being completely ignorant of what it means and b.) completely in denial that they are themselves trying to indoctrinate people into their own twisted, anachronistic worldview.

slattern, I have a feeling the subtext of his email to you was "you're not worthy of marriage and children anyway" being that you are a feminist and unable to surrender your independence to a man.

I think this guy needs to read the Times' "Marriage Penalty" article you guys linked to yesterday.

I don't think he realizes that smart women want men who challenge them, support them and appreciated their intellect (and that smart men want this in return). At the end of the day, men who think this way are insecure and feel threatened by women with power (intelligence, careers). Thanks, but I'd rather be single than married to someone that pathetic.

"Marriage and children isn't for all women. I don;t know why you find my article so threatening."

They isn't, huh? Thanks, doc!

PS -- most doctors I know can grasp basic grammar. Just sayin'.

Law Fairy. You is a woman. You isn't fit to question a man. You should shut your "smarter" mouth up before you get your rightful smackin'.

Tender tendrils of trust?

I'd like to wrap my tendrils really, really tight around his throat, and squirt him with a dose of super-acidic feminist INK!

What a knob.

tender tendrils tender tendrils tender tendrils tendertendrils

thats great

Feminism can be cured...if diagnosed early.

He may as well say "equality can be cured...if diagnosed early" because feminism is equality but not the MRA or Christian "gender roles and tasks" kind of equality. Henry Makow is from SaveTheMales. Here are some of his gems:

Betty Friedan: "Mommy" was a Commie

Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society

Feminism's Dead End: "The Vagina Monologues"

The Effect of Sexual Deprivation on Women

The Dawn of the Feminist Police State

How University Betrays Students

The Illuminati Conspiracy Against God

Sexism is Heterosexuality

The plot thickens:

"Emily,

You are not a very careful reader. I am talking about women getting married and having families. This does not mean they are confined to the home after their children are raised. But I guess you don't care if there are strong families, and if society is perpetuated in a healthy way.

henry."

What an asshole.

BTW, the douchebag's email address is hmakow@gmail.com if you'd like to (it's posted with the article, so I don't think I'm out of line forwarding it on to you all.)

Do drop him a line and tell him what's up.

Feminist indoctrination?

We were all indoctrinated and finally woke up.

slattern, so is he saying that if you aren't fit, er, "meant" to be a wife and mommy... you don't matter in his scheme and can therefore have wanton sex and a fulfilling career and everything?

Cause if so... sign me up!

This does not mean they are confined to the home after their children are raised.

So they're confined to the home until they grow up? What happens to their non-existent career after 18 years?

Because society will fall apart if a man and a woman (or a woman and a woman or a man and a man - but we won't get into that!), raise children by sharing responsibilities according to individual skills and desires, instead of by gender roles and what some old fairytale says.

The man selects and prepares the special ground and plants his seed. The woman receives and nurtures it. Often it is just his spirit she accepts. Ultimately, a child is the fruit of love.

Immaculate conception do what now?

I don't have 50 min to check out the video linking feminism and Auschwitz (although now that the esteemed Dr. Makow has mentioned it, the connection is so obvious I can't believe I failed to perceive it on my own), but given that the search terms to find it on Google are "education + illuminati," all I can say is -- WTF? Seriously??????

Oh yeah, and fuck the Rockefellers.

I love the arguments that idiots make. Wish I knew more about rhetoric, but even so, completely illogical.

Evil Slattern - You "don't care if there are strong families". ;)

That is completely illogical. A strong family is about more than one woman constantly being at home IN CASE her child may need her. I mean, unless you are homeschooling (don't get me started), I don't understand what you're supposed to be doing at home once your child hits five and is in school all day.

Oh wait - I guess you're supposed to be nurturing that soil in which your husband is about to go rooting around. What he's really trying to say: reapply your lipstick before your hubby gets home, meet him at the door with his slippers and a drink, and don't dare make him wait for you because you're working your own 40-plus hour a week job. Because then he'll find somewhere else to plant his seed.

Give me a break.

sorry - but i had to add this:

besides the fact, feminists are not about compartmentalizing women. feminism, more than anything else, should be about allowing women to be whom and what they want to be.

that's what these anti-feminists don't understand. we're not attacking other lifestyles IF these are what these women choose. what we do have a problem with is being told we MUST be one or another lifestyle.

we want the freedom not only to make our own decisions but also to live with them - judgment free.

Did I just wake up in Victorian England?

The great thing is that as crazy as he is, he will sit and debate with you. He must just be sitting at the comp responding to all the objections he's getting, because he's just e-mailing right back. Seriously, let him know what you think. His e-mail address, again, is hmakow@gmail.com.

I'm hoping that we can really clue the jerk into the ideals of modern Feminism, which respects women's choices.

'But I guess you don't care if there are strong families, and if society is perpetuated in a healthy way.'

That is such an infantile response. Sounds like he got one too many ass-kickings on the playground. I love when poeple have to resort to attacking their opponents when they can no longer make a cogent argument for their own side. I'd love to see his evidence that feminism is bad for families. I'm a firm believer in Bette Freidan's assertion that a woman sets the best example for her children by being educated, ambitious self-fulfilled -- why would anyone want less than that for their children? Growing up with a bitter, frustrated parent -- an inevitibility in this man's black-and-white psycho-world -- is more damaging to children and families than anything.

Ug, that was gross. I think I need a shower.

I hate this: "Date men five-or-more years older who want to get married." No thanks, man, I'm 35 and my 28-year-old is fine by me.

Fe-manist Masonic dysfunction.

omg.

Well said, ya'll. I doubt he's ever heard of Betty Friedan, though. Go fig.

He hasn't responded to my latest email, wherein I ask him why woman-haters like himself insist that there can only be two kinds of women in the world: crazy man-hating baby-resenting feminazis and the "June Cleaver on heavy anti-depressants" type. (Cause if I was married to him, I'd need serious drugs pumping through my system, know what I mean?)

I suppose he got his PhD from a correspondence school.

Unfortunately he has heard of Betty Friedan. He wrote an article called, "Betty Friedan: 'Mommy' was a Commie". The guy thinks that feminism is a ploy to destroy western civilization and implement communism. He's a freakin nutjob.

Um, what do the Masons have to with feminism? I'm confused... I guess my weak female brain can't handle it. Better go find me a man!

I knew, I knew, I knew this sounded familiar! Remember that dreadful article on alternet last month?

... Makow is a doctor, in the sense that he got his Ph.D. in English Literature ... he makes a good argument that my troublesome urges to play the role of sweet, loving girlfriend are right on target with the natural way of things.

Ya, great argument. Best part:

Despite his passionate anti-feminism, Makow is by no means a misogynist.

Poor wittle Makow; sounds like he got dumped for not living up to a girlfriend's expectations and feels the need to lash out at all independent, intelligent women who didn't choose him either. Don't use your brain/abilities ladies!! Or you could miss out on landing a insecure, self-righteous, condescending asshat with a God-Complex like this one.

Furthermore, that stuff about being possessed sounds more like an argument FOR sleeping around if nothing else. If all I have to do is have multiple partners to avoid being "possessed" then the more the merrier -- line 'em up!

Did that line bring up images of Linda Blair and pea soup for anyone else??

I’m 37, I’ve never been married, I’m a lesbian and I’m a feminist. Thanks to Henry Makow, I now realize that I’m a failure at being a woman.

But wait… I almost forgot—I transitioned from male to female a while ago. I think maybe I’m a failure at being a man, too!

Oh dear. I’m so confused. Should I be a domineering asshole toward women or a submissive doormat toward men? What should I do? I just don’t know anymore.

Help, Dr. Makow! I feel so lost without you! No, wait, that was kind of submissive. Should I be more aggressive when I say that?

Shit.

*smirk*

Thanks for the link squip. It is indeed a dreadful article. I love her reasoning: “can admit that it is generally the ladies who arrange the flowers, wear the flouncy skirts, and bat the eyelashes.� … It is just really pathetic that she needs to go to sexist men with PhD’s to tell her that her need for a boyfriend is natural. It is sad that there are women out there who buy into such arguments. I mean I need men too; they are nice and good and tasty and they have dicks and nice pecs, but I don’t arrange flowers or bat my eyelashes and my reproductive organs do not “quiver every time I see a stroller.� Ugh.

Oh, and Stacy, since you've already transitioned to a woman I think you gotta go with the submissive doormat role.

"Oh, and Stacy, since you've already transitioned to a woman I think you gotta go with the submissive doormat role."

Oh my. Looks like it’s dancing backwards in high heels for the rest of my life. First, I’ve got to figure out how to feel more attracted to men, though.

(Grimaces and strains with effort.)

Ouch. I think I need an aspirin, now.

i strongly suspect that letter is not real, but rather was written by Makow himself. sounds too contrived.

Why didn't someone tell me this sooner? I had no idea that when I had sex with women it meant I posessed them. Had I known, I would've gotten a better price for them when they left me. Dammit! Missed opportunities.

Hmmm. I need help here. I sure could use the money right now with Christmas coming and all, but I also want to keep the women I have right now too (I'm sure my daughter counts as my possesion too, although I don't think he would recommend I have sex with her just to seal the deal). I need to figure out how to turn these posessions that just take up space into a real money making machine! I don't need more stuff, I need investments. You know? Of course you do.

Maybe he would support the idea that I just rent them out for short periods of time? Just to reimburse me for all the damn food they eat and all their fucking shoes. Having women is SO HARD! What am I ever to do?

I wish I were smart like him. I bet he doesn't have the problem to too many women around. Yeah. I bet.

"Sex is an act of possession."

Wtf? I guess that means I should let my sexual partners know that they are the collective proprietors of my snatch.

Hell yeah Jix. It's their asset, not yours. And please notify them if any significant depreciation takes place or if you ever take it out of the country. It's just good customer service.

This guy claims intelligence but uses phrases like "cussing me out"? HA!

Everything he said was complete bullshit. I'd go into detail in describing my abhorrence but I don't have the time, and everyone else has pretty much said it already.

Nice to know I can post here and be censured in no short time.

You all women here! You are infallible as Pope! God, what God, we are the superior being, and the real God does not even measure up to our ankles!

I fully understand the anger manifest here. Mr. Makow is off the Richter Scale when it comes to logic and common sense. I have been reading his website for a while and it is entirely clear to me that “the wheel is there, but the hamster is long dead.�

I have left numerous comments without having received any reply, but that does not surprise me. My sisters, please do not let your anger make you leave comments that can be exploited by this man.

Under these circumstances, it is absolutely essential that we be the ones who are rational, logical and reasoned. Nasty responses, though understandable, only make us look bad and help to prove his point to his uneducated, ignorant, and unlettered followers. It is essential that we out-think this person. For we women, the very bearers of civilation itself, this should be easy to do. I am a Christian woman and some of the things I say will reflect that viewpoint; however, please be assured that nothing I say will offend. Rather, you will be surprised to see that the Bible view of women is diametrically opposed to everything Mr. Makow says.

Mr.Makow is nothing except pitiful

Mr. Makow fears and despises intelligent, productive women. He hates ladies who
are capable and who do not “need� men or rely upon men for their survival. Greatly feared are those of us who refuse to “play dumb�and have logical and reasoned responses to the odd premises set forth in his website. This, ladies, is “old hat.� Chivalry is dead and Male Chauvinism is alive and well at his site. And what was Chivalry? Chivalry was the notion that the man is to SERVE a lady, and after her all other ladies. Most especially in this category is a GENERAL gentleness and graciousness to all women. Jesus’ equal treatment of women was a beautiful exercise of Chivalry. In a time when women were thought of as nothing, Jesus respected their desire for education and encouraged this instead of doing housework. He took time to speak to women and seriously considered their position in life and viewpoint. He respected their self-actualization and their ability to take initiative to help themselves. (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). In doing so, he reflected the view of his Heavenly Father.

You see, God made woman and saw that she was good. We are very, very important to him, not as a complement to the man, but on our own.

In a perfect world, where men were exactly like Jesus Christ, deeply respectful of women, willing to serve their wives and even give up their very lives for them (Ephesians 5:25-29), Mr. Makow’s theories would work.

However, this is NOT a perfect world and men do not behave as Jesus did. It is therefore imperative that every woman take all necessary actions to take care of herself first and foremost.

To Mr. Makow, the sole and only reason for the existence of woman is to be the
“vessel for the man’s spirit.� No where does he mention any type of refuge for the “woman’s spirit,� and I am not surprised. To him, the spirit of the woman does not need any type of care. We are mere slaves and servants and our only purpose in life is to look adoringly upon the man.

His philosophy is the epitome of selfishness and self-centeredness, and one has only to read his reference to articles like “Is Overachieving Bad for Girls,� where successful, scholarly girls are referred to as ‘losers,’, or his reference to “The Patriarch’s Path,� where men are depicted as infallibly knowing what is best for all of us, or his wrongful information on so-called “depopulation� (sheesh The Earth has just passed the 6 billion mark for humans alive and this man says we’re suffering from depopulation???? ) , or his disgusting treatise “Politically Incorrect Advise for Young Men,� where he directly tells young men to choose women who are willing to “make you and her family her first priority� while simultaneously telling men that they should entirely disregard their wives’ needs and desires by “make (ing) work (not women) your passion. Work is the backbone of a man. Men gain self-confidence from performing a task well, and receiving reward and recognition. Women will try to come between a man and his work but don't let them. Don't let anyone or anything thwart your gift. Women do not respect men who make them their first priority. Your work will keep you on course and help you avoid temptation.�

How can a man possibly be contributing to his family when he is so involved in work that he
cannot assist his wife in the home? Sheesh!

To him and his ilk, we are not to have any goals, or personality, reason, self-actualization or spirit of our own. Our every reason for being is to be the servant and vessel of the man and nothing more. In short we are unimportant nothings, to be valued for nothing at all except what we can produce from our wombs. In exchange for the so-called “gift of semen� from the man we are supposed to “trust our lives� to his care. The man will “lovingly� take care of you if you give him sex. “You can rely on him.�

(Sheesh again! This notion is beyond stupid. It is dangerous! I am simply incredulous every time I read this stuff. Mr. Makow should be forced to go into the homeless shelters where abused women and their children find refuge and explain this theory to them. He should be forced to tell how this works to every woman who has been a victim of physical or financial abuse or exploitation. Let him tell this to the thousands of women in slavery. Let him tell these women and these children that the men who beat and abused them only had their best interests at heart! There are hundreds of millions of suchlike women worldwide, with the latest cases being in the Sudan, so I would hope that he had ample time and laryngitis medication!)

In his view, woe betide the woman who is an ugly “loser� who does not marry, or the woman who is infertile. Suchlike ones have no reason to be alive and should “snuff it� at the earliest possible time. Women who choose to live without men or women who cannot have children or who cannot “get� men have no reason to live.

Woe betide the woman who has a genius level IQ (such as I), the one who is inventive, or the one who is resourceful. Suchlike ones “compete� with men and make them “feel bad about themselves�. No where does he suggest that the household contribution of the woman equals that of the man. In fact, he makes it clear that what the woman does at home is nothing compared to what the man does at work. To him, all “women’s work� is inferior work. Men must never subjugate their work to the family, but the woman must subjugate all she has and all she is to the family. Oddly and conversely, what she does for the family has little or no importance and what the man does is all and everything.

Masses and masses of contradictions.

Only the docile, subservient, woman who has no personality or life separate from a man is worth anything; and her only worth has to do with what sexual pleasure she brings the man. Only the woman who is primarily concerned with her ovulation, her appearance, giving an orgasm to her man, her makeup and hair-do, cooking and subserviently serving meals, or the waxy buildup on the kitchen floor is truly woman. Only the woman who feigns ignorance and hides her intellect is “good.� Only the woman who is without any opinion of her own, “thinks she is absolutely nothing without a man,� is truly “feminine.� Women must not invent anything or discover anything or do anything that changes the world. Inventiveness and intelligence in women renders them “Commie Feminists,� who are products of “Illuminati indoctrination.� Women are to take the “backseat of civilization,� and be content to be “cows producting calves,� never to concern themselves with the state of the world and the conditions in the world.. We must never have a single thought in our heads that a man didn’t put there. We are to make our sole and only concerns the sexual satisfaction of our husbands and the physical satisfaction of our children, taking a backseat to them and their happiness, producing nothing of any lasting worth or importance and disappear quietly into the dust of history.

It reminds me of what I read in the Larry Niven (science-fiction) novels about the females of the
alien species “Pearson’s Puppeteer;� they were speechless, essentially breeders and nothing else.
This is what Mr. Makow’s ideal woman is.

Can you imagine the abuse of daughters raised under such a horrifying system? I can. It is happening worldwide now under such regimes as the Taliban, and Mr. Makow suggests that
we should live like that. To him, we have no right to even wear westernized bathing suits–we need to be wrapped in suffocating purda, revealing ourselves only to our husbands and being at their pleasure alone http://www.rense.com/general29/deb.htm

But what about OUR pleasure. Nothing.

All of the sorrowful information from the “Russian Women’s� websites that Mr Makow has posted over there proves how truly pitiful his situation is. His suggestion that American men “leave� American women behind for the docile women of Russia and other Third World nations evinces the pitiful state of his followers and their mental state. He brags of his “Mexican� wife (who is no doubt here only for the citizenship and who probably only stays with him because her citizenship papers state that she is married to him and might have problems should she depart from him) and how she is so superior to the self-reliant women of the United States. We educated and resourceful women of the West are all a lot of “Commie Feminists� because we
expect fair and respectful and equal treatment, and the subservient Russian women and Third World women who agree to be the “mail-order brides of mentally and physically disfunctional men here are the ones who really know how to treat a man. What a sorry, sorry lot of people these men are

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1390/context/archive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_order_brides_trafficking

They deserve our pity and our compassion far more than our anger. After all, they are mentally ill.

As a woman who has been married for over 20 years (to a man), and who has a teen daughter that I am trying to raise to successful UNDEPENDENT womanhood, I am dismayed that Mr. Makow would even presume to give advice to a young lady on what it takes to be a successful woman. He is wholly unqualified in this regard. No man can teach a woman what it means to be a woman without implying that she become a slave to men. It is clear that Mr. Makow’s comments are designed to encourage the young lady in question to subjugate herself to men without any reciprocal security; namely, to become the slave and servant of men. I am teaching my daughter to make certain that she is financially, emotionally and spiritually independent of all men. Men are imperfect, selfish and only human. They look out for their own interests and my daughter, to avoid exploitation and abuse, MUST look out for her own best interests. I want her to come out on top in all situations. For the sake of her own life and welfare, in only makes
common sense that I teach her to make sure she comes out on top.

For the sake of any children she may have, she must come out on top.

This is not some “feminist agenda;� it is simple common sense. What rational person would suggest that any other human should walk this world defenseless from abuse? Who would suggest that one intelligent person would literally put their life and their future wholly into the hands of another imperfect person without guarantee against injury or loss. Who would suggest that one person should be at the mercy of another? Why would Mr. Makow even suggest that women render themselves defenseless from mistreatment and abuse?

Could it be that he has an interest in female exploitation? Could it be that he wants to return to a time where any woman “without a man� was without help in the world and was forced to “sell herself� simply to keep alive?

I think so.

Could Narcissism Syndrome, a mental aberration, be the problem? Judge for yourselves.

The diagnostic criteria in the International Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders version IV and version IV-TR states that Narcissitic Disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

You be the judge. Read Mr. Makow’s writings and consider. Narcissists must have the adulation, adoration and admiration of others. Other people must “look up� to them. He has already stated that women on dates who discuss their own achievements “turn men off.� What does that mean other than that high-achieving women disturb men who believe they themselves are “special� and above the level of other humans. Suchlike men must (for their own sick egos) have the attention and abject adoration of all other people. Without this abject worship from everyone in their circle of relationship, they are unhappy and disordered. The Narcissist’s mind is of such a bent that all attention and notice must be given to them and their needs and the Narcissist is incapable of having any feeling or sense of the needs of others. They expect their will to be obeyed without question and view any sort of contrary opinion or view as rebellion against them. They believe that anyone displaying an equal measure of achievement and intelligence is in direct competition and they arrogantly believe this to be a display of rivalry. The Narcissistic Man’s view and vision of an ideal woman seems to be that of an entirely docile, subservient person.

Interestingly, though Mr. Makow claims that his is a conservative view, yet this is not the Bible’s view of an ideal woman. The feminine heroes depicted in the ancient records were insightful, decisive and intelligent. These were women of action, and they took action independent of male permission. But Mr. Makow would erroneously have people think otherwise. In his warped view of life, women are cringing, weak and indistinctive ghosts of humanity and to “win� and “keep� a man, they must stay this way.

I hope he doesn’t have any daughters. I fear greatly for their mental health and personal stability. I fear for the mental health of the young woman who has taken his advice.

As I said in the beginning, “the wheel is there, but the hamster is long dead.� Pity him and his ilk. Sick people deserve our pity, not our anger.

Now, he even is an apologist for anti-Semites.Somehow, Jewish people have become members of the "Illuminati" the "Overlords" planning a takeover of the Earth through the New World Order.

We should all put on our "Tin Foil Hats."

Sheesh! Isn't it clear that there is something not sane going on there?

Next time you are (rightfully) incensed with what this man has said, Take a minute.
Forgive and FORGET. In fact, I propose that we all send him eGet Well Soon cards. Flood him with Get Well Soon Cards. This is what he needs.

He needs our prayers that he recovers. What he does not need is our anger and our hatred. There is sickness there.

He needs a physician’s care, and I sincerely hope that he gets well soon.

Save the (fe)males from him....

PLEEEEEASE.

I've heard a bit about this man's so called literature... He's an insult to men everywhere. His so called "New World Order" being some sort of attempt at calling feminists the supreme evil. I don't necessarily agree with evrything that feminists say, but I am with you against this guy. He has to travel thousands of miles to a backwards country so he can get a wife. That doesn't say much for his character. He sounds like a creepy pedophile. I am sure if he had his way he'd have all of us revert a few hundred years where you could marry a 13 year old... Alteast if you have a morbid or somewhat twisted sense of humour he is entertaining. I love his illusions of a secret society run by homosexuals, zionists, communists, and all under the ringleader George Bush. We all thought George was a retard? This man ascends to a completely new level. As a friend of mine once said "It's a shame stupidity isn't fatal"

I'm amazed at the emotional replies to Henry's article. Then again, maybe that is expected. MrWhyte, he Henry is an insult to men like you. His writing is not insulting to men like me at all. Traveling back to his third world country makes him an intelligent men that knows his family won't be built of step son's, daughter, fathers etc (That is if a feminist hasn't got to him). There are a lot of good women here but the feminist there are many feminists that Henry describes. I wan engaged to one and he describes them to a T.

Feminist remind me of sharks, that devour their children for their own selfish needs. Funny, how that greatly resembles our declining society since the supposed "liberation" of women. I'm all for equality, but women, as of late, have gone too far.

While I don't support this henry's article at all, I find it distasteful that the very acts he so accuses of is very self-evident within your replies.

It is sad that some men are so insecure as to need a woman to be little more than an appendage in order to feel good about themselves. :/

The only thing I agree with in his article is the importance of monogamy, but for entirely different reasons. I'm engaged these days, but back when I was single and looking, I realized I had a lot to offer in a relationship.

I took stock of myself. Intelligent, good-looking, strong character... I realized I was a "hot commodity"... why should I settle for a male who was vastly inferior to myself? I watched as friends of mine disrespected themselves by becoming involved with males who were largely ignorant and incompetent, and observed the relationship discord which *invariably* ensued as a result. I wanted none of it.

I also had far too much self-respect to become just another pit stop in some player's series of booty calls. I've always found it disconcerting that a lot of so-called "feminist" women these days apparently don't have the self-esteem to realize that they're worth more than being just another face in what boils down to a modern harem.

Also, if we ever had children at some point down the road, I wanted a man who would have a positive influence on my children. No hopelessly inadequate, neurotic male who would twist and stunt the psychological growth of my children through his bad example, thanks!

I can't help but wonder if Henry Makow has been turned down so many times by women like myself that he finally just went bonkers. lol