On the RealDolls website they have a listing for a doll torso that starts at the belly button and goes to the mid thigh.
fabulous.
:-/

UGH.

I can't believe this is real. It has to be a hoax! But not surprised with the torso doll. Isn't that way most men want?

Until women stop buying disembodied penises to masturbate with, I think it would be a good idea to be careful about judging. When a man has a realdoll for "companionship," that's fucking creepy. If he just wants a sex toy that reminds him of actually having sex, then I and my dildo can't blame him.

there's a big difference...the "companionship" factor is one, but alsoc check out what this forensic psychiatrist says:

But Tucker dismissed the notion that Real Dolls are no different than women's dildos or vibrators because lifelike dolls, unlike vibrators, are simulated humans -- they have what he called "pull." "All of the stimuli are telling you it's human," he says.

I guess I was speaking more to the disembodied torso idea than the whole doll. Though, I still think it's a matter of degree.

On the other hand, if a guy wants one of these, he's going to be laying down thousands of dollars for it - I don't think many are willing to put that kind of money into something they consider only to be a sex toy. In principle, I don't think it's too freaky for a guy to be having sex with a doll. But in the real world, he has to spend thousands of dollars on it - that's freaky.

Why doesn't it shock me that Jessica has a problem with the disembodied vagina? That seems much more mentally healthy than a pseudo full human being. Of course, god forfend that someone take away the equivalent of a disembodied torso for women -- you'd bitch to the heavens if someone said UGH about your dildos & vibes.

But of *course* it isn't sexism.

Um, my vibrator doesn't look like a penis.

neither does mine...

and sorry, but that IS disturbing. you don't see me having a problem with those fleshlight faux vagina things...but there is something much different about a disembodied torso. and whats up with people who keep bringing up vibrators? most vibrators do NOT look like chopped off cocks. personally, i would find that just as creepy as a torso.

"whats up with people who keep bringing up vibrators?"

Well, if they don't keep bringing them up, how can they maintain the illusion that using a masturbatory aid is analogous to creating a closed-off fantasy world where lumps of plastic are actual "companions"?

(It's all about the fact that men are sooooo much more oppressed than women, after all.)

BTW, I like the way that this comment is so consistently ignored: 'But Tucker dismissed the notion that Real Dolls are no different than women's dildos or vibrators because lifelike dolls, unlike vibrators, are simulated humans -- they have what he called "pull." "All of the stimuli are telling you it's human," he says.'

And yeah, I think I'd find handling vibrator that looked like a real severed cock would be off-putting in the extreme.

I gotta chime in here, many women are using vibrators that don't even come close to a dick. That would mostly be since it's not the dick that's doing it for us. I want to make T-shirts up that say "I believe..." on the front and then, on the back "The clit is out there, somewhere"

Not a surprise though considering just how much stake so many guys tend to put in their pensis.

Anyway, Jessica, I'm with you on that one, it's pretty creepy for me too.

My turn to chime in -- Jessican's right, she's not complaining about the fleshlight type fake vaginas. The disturbing parts of this community are the ones that suggest these men can't "handle" the emotional value and intimacy of a real relationship and are buying silent girlfriends in exchange.

Ahhh, patriarchy -- silencing women in brand new way since ... well, since the beginning of the patriarchy. ;-)

(for the record, some of my vibrators look like a penis, some don't. hee hee)

And yeah, I think I'd find handling vibrator that looked like a real severed cock would be off-putting in the extreme.

in any case, i just had to take a look at this site and Crys T is absolutely right... these 'real dolls' are designed to simulate people... it talks about bathing them, dressing them up, blah blah blah... mad scary, man...

i'm just surprised it doesn't mention using them to get into the carpool lane, 'cos that was the first thing that came to my mind - with a small investment of 14000$, you'll never have to pay a toll again...

"But Tucker dismissed the notion that Real Dolls are no different than women's dildos or vibrators because lifelike dolls, unlike vibrators, are simulated humans -- they have what he called "pull." "All of the stimuli are telling you it's human," he says."

Is fantasizing a form of "pull" or is it only visual and tactile feedback which makes it wrong? If you are fantasizing about someone to the point that you are visualizing the appearance and personality of someone is that sick or just masturbation?

As for no dildos looking like penises, that may not be your personal taste but then why are there so many flesh colored members with veins and all in the sex shops? Someone must be buying them. Are they only bought by homosexuals and if so are they sick for playing with dismembered members?

Thanks for that great comment "patriarchy hurts men, too." I have been arguing this point for years.

And thanks for showing some of these guys compassion. Many of them deserve it (and yes, a few don't).

Laslocky did the right thing by approaching the issue with an open mind, calling shit disturbing when she thought is was, calling shit sympathetic and part of the human drama and desire to connect when it also was.

For the record, the deadness of Real Dolls personally creeps me out. I am not sure the statement that 85% of males would have sex with these things just to try it out if they could is accurate (but Laslocky didn't say that, it's a quote).

I am pretty durn certain I would not.

And although I am far from an Adonis, real effort, feminist viewpoints and compassion have allowed me to have girlfriends in this life. But I think a lot of us guys have always had a moment when we could have gone the other way... Where it just seemed too mystical and impossibly difficult. Not to mention the patriarchal pressure to be wealthy and accomplished in your field, with a nice car and a nice watch, in order to qualify for a date. That pressure is huge from the moment we realize our gender.

We guys have all been there:

Q: What do you drive?

A: Actually, nothing right now.

CLICK.

That's hard.

right on brother!

I agree that it is creepy, but allow me to point a couple things out. . .Peope are likely healthier for using toys, and before you get self righteous and creeped out, remember that it is more normative for women to masterbate with a body part than it is for men. Secondy, that aside, what is bothering me is that we are resorting to be alone with pieces of rubber and not partnering. That is what is truly sick about our society. I can't care for and deeply love a rubber pussy, and really just want a lover in very bad way. But I resort to the artificical. Stop trying to be righteous and look at it for what is is.

Estebam