Jesus. Where's my spoof site?

WOW, the spoof site is hilarious. That site -- through sarcasm -- makes a lot of the points I've been trying to make here. The very old-fashioned "men-are-the-enemy-and-women-are-always-victimized-and-always -right" that is mostly portrayed here is just silly and embarrassing.

If you hate men just say it. Be a woman and come clean. And the few principles on here that actually date and/or marry men are so constricted by their silly politics that they always saddle themselves with weak feminine-men. Could the fact that you pick these weak-sister type of "men" possibly the reason you hate men so much?

I thought they could have done a better job. They brought up rape too much, and victimization. It just wasn't funny.

ColleenKelly, does that mean you'll start posting over there instead of shaking your finger at us for being such meanies to the patriarchy?

Because that would be *fabulous.*

Nah... I'll stay here so I can potentially save you. This embarrassing brand of comfortable-shoes-we-hate-men 1960's feminism practiced here sets the real movement back 40 years.

Real feminists don't hate men. Real feminists don't blame everything on men. Real feminists realize that women do not have to be lockstep on politics to be feminists.

And real feminists aren't afraid of real men like so many of the principles on here are. I really question the credentials of women who claim to be "feminists" but then are so terrified of men that they either become "political" lesbians or hook up with "girly" men (which seems to be the most common practice here). Silly girls, the key is to find strong men who RESPECT women, not weaklings who fear them and want to be nagged and ordered into shape.

Wow, CK--I wasn't aware that you were acquainted with any of the editors' significant others. But you’re right, there’s no way a “real man” would date a feminist. In fact, the only way I can be with my little girly man boyfriend is to strap on a huge one. There--feel better now?

Wow, nothing like reading the perpetual whining of men who don't like what women have to say!

Don't you know, Jessica, you're supposed to get a man to sign off before you can express any opinions?

And now we get the pleasure of ColleenKelly, who seems to think that "real feminists" will only hook up with real he-men. I think that measuring a woman's worth based on the biceps or alleged penis size of her boyfriend or husband is hysterical! Colleen, the great white huntress, proves her womanhood by bagging mister macho!

Then again, Colleen, if your he-men are so tough, why do they need you to come here defending them?

The insecurities revealed in this .org "parody" -- and its defender here -- put it all in perspective.

I'm afraid of men? I'll have to tell my boyfriend that. I think he probably wishes sometimes I was a little afraid of men.

And I don't know any lesbians who hate men, CK. The only women I know who hate men are straight, non-feminist women. They hate men because they have to be subservient to them.

I'm not here to defend men, I'm here to save you silly little spoiled white girls from yourselves. Feminism is about strength NOT weakness. Choosing weak sissy-boys for your "significan others" shows your weakness NOT your strength.

We are EQUAL to men, not so intimidated by them we only associate with wimpy boys because real men scare us.

Feminism has gone from "We are strong and we want nothing special only equality" to "Oh gee, its such a big bad world and men are so awful so we want all sorts of extra protection and special treatment for women because we are just too weak and inferior to stand on our own merit. Please, please protect us, we ARE just weak little women afterall."

The principles on here and most who post are not feminists, they are middle-class scared little white girls pretending to be grown up and playing "feminist".

Stop begging and nagging for special treatment. Be WOMEN and go make it in the world just like men have to.

I put it through regendering software. Now maybe you can see how hateful it is, CK, now that it's aimed at men.

Do you proudly declare that men are “capable of making their own decisions”… but you love to heap sneering contempt on those unthinking bimbos who decide to go on diets, be pro-life, have a rhinoplasty, vote Republican, get married, or who decide to do anything that masculists say men shouldn't do?

This particularly struck me as a wonderful quote now that it's been regendered.

How coincidental that CK’s choice of language is eerily similar to that of men’s rights groups. Wonder why that is.

This embarrassing brand of comfortable-shoes-we-hate-men 1960's feminism . . .

As a militant comfortable-shoes-wearer, I am highly offended by the implication that my healthy feet indicate a hatred of men. My Birkenstock clogs and I demand an apology.

That regendering software is one of the coolest things I've seen in a long, long time.

Regarding the 'parody' site--first impression is that somebody has waaaaay too much time on their hands, but not enough spare time to do anything other than a cursory parody, really. I'm all for laughing at oneself, but make it more clever than "I got raped at Starbucks", please.

As far as CK goes, anytime anybody spends most of their time defnining what a 'real' feminist is, that's a Big Red Flag that they don't really get it. What would convince CK that she was wrong, ever? Nothin, because her positions are vacuous. What ever happened to the idea of reasoned discussion, CK?

Amanda, that was brilliant.

CK, it is probably best that you return to fucking your hairy mountain man so we can happily discuss our political lesbianism and our hatred of men without further interference.

PS Real feminists don't need to constantly refer to their relationships with men to validate themselves.

Congrats on being spoofed. It means you're on to something here at this blog (but I knew that already).

And CK you're making the same arguments that anti-feminist men and women were making during the second-wave feminist movement of the 60's.

Nice of you to ride on the wave they created and then dismiss feminist work at the same time. I hope you remember that when you vote or need contraception or crisis counselling or get to keep your job when you get pregnant.

Methinks "ColleenKelly" has been drinking the kool-ade.

This site frustrates me because it shows me that all my efforts to go out and teach people what real feminism is about are not having the earth shaking effects I was hoping for... *sigh*

And now for saving CK from her misperceptions.

CK:
You are partly right; real feminist don't hate men and don't blame them for everything. There is a huge difference with blaming the system and blaming the individual. I don't blame my fiance for oppressing me or anyone else; I blame the system of patriarchy.
Speaking of which...
Refering to a certain type of guy as being "girly" is in and of itself sexist when you act as though there is something wrong with femininity. I believe that particular form of misogyny/sexism is too commonly accepted. Women and men should both be allowed to act in whatever way they feel comfortable on the feminine/masculine spectrum without fear of being judged "too manish or too girly". I play video games and knit; my fiance writes poetry and does judo. Does that make him a fake man?It's good to have options. They make us human. I don't want a man that's nothing but brutish aggressive hostility in human form raising my children. People need balance.

P.S. CK: I'm not white.

This site frustrates me because it shows me that all my efforts to go out and teach people what real feminism is about are not having the earth shaking effects I was hoping for... *sigh*

I am moved to tears. I'm sorry I have opinions! Pretty damn inconsiderate of me, I admit.

Oh Ahlana:

Stop the silly nonsense. I am a career homicide detective and at the beginning of my career (1974) I was the second female patrol officer in the Chicago PD's history. I was a young and strident and foolish feminist then without benefit of real life experience or even much common sense.

I was on the job about 15 days before I realized that a woman -- unless she is extremely mannish and very unusually strong -- had absolutely no business being a patrol officer. Physical strenght is often called upon and I had my ass kicked often by even small men.

The worst part was that in several cases male officers were injured because they had to come to my rescue. An average build male in my position could have easily held his own while I was often hurt, in danger and in need of rescue.

The most frustrating part was I always wanted to be a detective. Before "radical feminist" demands were affected females in the PD could be trained to be detectives directly (detective work rarey if ever requires the kind of physical strength and command a patrol officer requires on the street). But after the feminists got ahold of things females had to follow the same track as men.

It has been extremely sad over the years to see females that would have made great commanders and/or detectives drop out in the initial patrol stage of their career because they were tired of getting their ass kicked or seeing male officers get hurt rescuing them.

Then came the famous incident in 1993 when it was revealed in Philadelphia that all big city police departments (mine in Chicago included)had purchased software that tracked where their female and male officers were so that only male officers were sent into dangerous situations. In other words, male officers -- receiving the same pay and benefits as we female officers -- were steered towards danger while females were protected. Despite some complaints (interestingly male officers never grumbled or said a word) the software has been left in place.

My point being: radical feminism relies on the false premise that there is no difference between men and women. NONE! What nonsense! Even ol' Gloria Steinem in her famous 1979 NYU debate with William F. Buckley, Jr. when asked if she was about to be raped did she want a female cop or a male cop to be the first officer on the scene. She initially said, "just a good officer of either gender". When the predomiantly female and supportive audience groaned and laughed in derisive disbelief she said, "Okay, okay... I'd want the biggest, meanest male cop to be there first and beat the guy's ass!".

I've been around the women's movement since the beginning and it's always had its silly radical element. The (obviously very young) women running this site think they sound worldly and angry and well... feminist. Instead they come off cartoonish. They wear their feminism the way a 12 yr old walking down the street smokes a cigarette thinking that passersby think he looks cool and older, when instead they just look foolish and as if they are seeking to look cool and older. The women running this site -- like the 12 yr old smoker -- can be clearly assessed from an outside view. They are spoiled middle class white girls who've never had a problem in their life but really, really think it's cool to act all feminist and as if murdering babies is really, really a great thing to do.

Feminism, in its basis is a very serious matter and abortion is a very sad -- but sometimes necessary procedure. Any woman who ever had one has been saddened and knew quite well she was killing her baby (not just cells, or a fetus or any of the other words people attempt to utilize to attempt to hide what they've done).

The "girly men" comment was not only a response to some of the pictures of their "men" they've shown but also what they've written and have written. As a woman and a feminist there are things I would never accept out of a male partner. These silly mostly fake feminists repeatedly disrespect life and men and no real man would put up with it. That's how I know their men are "girly" men. Unless they are just pussy opportunists.

A term I learned from feminists at abortion protests back in the early 80's while I was still a patrol officer. I'd be assigned to protect an abortion clinic (with other officers) and basically our job was to keep the two sides apart. Every once in a while they'd brawl. Whenever they'd brawl the men on the pro-abortion side would sometimes change sides and fight with the anti-abortionists or run and just stay out of the brawl.

The woman who ran the clinic and was really a wonderful person would often -- when things got bad -- come out to be on the side of the pro-abortionists. When I pointed out to her this bizarreness where these males would run once there was trouble she said, "Oh, their just pussy opportunists."

I, of course, said, "HUH? What's that". She said, "Well, we know they either don't care about the issue or are actually opposed to us but until they run its nice having some male faces on our side. We call them 'pussy opportunists' because the only reason they come is they think feminist women are easy lays."

The fake feminists on this site reveal themselves constantly. This young girl that posts on this site and just got married and constantly rails against "patriarchy" posted some wedding pictures and they are very traditional white dress "every little girls dream wedding" type photos. Nothing wrong with that, but stop pretending to hate men and the "patriarchy" (whatever that is!).

Feminism is about equal rights and opportunity, that's all! The goofy fake feminists with their fake hate need to grow up.

Hey, _I_ have a crush on this website, too. ;-)

I'm with Steph on this one. I would count it as a badge of pride for someone or a group of people to bother and:

* Reserve a domain name
* Set up some web-publishing software
* Get one or more persons to regular bleed words,
create JPEGs, and otherwise produce content
on a regular or semi-regular basis

-- all as part of some smear campaign.

Granted, this list of tasks isn't all that hard to do, or expensive, but of all the things to do in this world...

I can't help but remember Gandhi's famous saying: "(1) First they ignore you. (2) Then they laugh at you. (3) Then they fight you. (4) Then you win."

I think feministing.com just entered (3).

Hey Mitchell:

First of all you insensitive bastard how dare you quote Ghandi, he's a MAN! What's wrong with you? Don't you know that all MEN are evil and all part of the (cue scary conspiracy indicating music now)PATRIARCHY?!

Just because someone was great at something doesn't mean EVERYTHING they say is correct (remember, Ghandi once assured the wes on Mao Tse Tungs behalf that Mao was NOT a communist and would have free and open elections within 90 days... um that was in 1948... we're uh... still er ... waiting for the elections). Ghandi was wrong about "(1) First they ignore you. (2) Then they laugh at you. (3) Then they fight you. (4) Then you win." Sometimes, as in this case THEY'RE JUST LAUGHING AT YOU!

The problem with the spoof site is it could never be as funny and embarrassingly self-indulgent as this one. Rich little suburban white girls without a care in the world posting on the computers that daddy bought them during the day hoping a really cute boy calls them and takes them out on a date. Sure, the boy will get fucked for sure... afterall... she's a feminist!

Hey CK, you might want to calm down, you're blowing your female cover.

I certainly don't feel the need to defend myself against your bizarre tirades, but before you start to make assumptions about our respective backgrounds, you should really do your homework.

Sorry, Colleen, not every woman who's had an abortion is saddened by it. Because that would be weird, don't you think - everyone reacting to an event in exactly the same way?

I forgot to say, congrats on getting parodied. Next to getting frothy-mouthed trolls in your comments, it just goes to show you've arrived! Maybe Limbaugh will mention your Feminazi ways soon, think of the traffic you'd get then....

"jenofiniquity":

No, normal well-adjusted people often react to happenings almost exactly the same way. Have you noticed many normal well-adjusted people laughing at films of holocaust victims being bulldozed into graves?

An abortion irrefutably ends a life. It kills a baby. Now people seem to be able to justify it ("but if I have this baby I'll get stretch marks and then how will I land a cute guy") but even ardent feminists gave up on the silly ol' abortion-is-okay argument that tried to claim that an abortion doesn't kill a baby, "its just a clump of cells".

Have you ever spent time with a woman whose had a very early term miscarriage? Do you yell at her for being sad? Do you deride her sense of loss? Do you say, "Oh cut it out, you haven't lost anything, it was just a clump of cells."

A good friend of mine, an ardent feminist and official in my union was once a fervent abortion activist. She met a good man, settled down and continued her important active feminism. They became pregnant and were thrilled. Very, very early in the term -- not long after they learned they were pregnant -- she had a miscarriage and was greatly saddened. She had just told her mom of the pregnancy the day before. After time spent in sadness with her husband she called her mom and said, "Mom, I lost my baby" and cried and sobbed.

Later, that night she had an epiphany. She had spent 15 years fighting for abortion rights and using the old "clump of cells" argument and realized that she told her mom that she had "lost" her "baby". Since that day she has worked just as hard for women's causes, but she is very, very anti-abortion. She calls it the big lie! She knew even at her early stage, a BABY had been lost.

Since I've quoted Gloria Steinem in a previous post I might as well again. Again, in her famous 1979 abortion debate with conservative writer William F. Buckley, Jr. at NYU in front of a very feminist mostly female audience Gloria foolishly made the old "clump of cells" argument.

Buckley said, "Oh, then its not a baby, just a clump of cells??" Steinem not sensing the trap said, "Yes, absolutely" which allowed Buckley to immediately retort: "Well if its not a baby, then why kill it?"

In one of the most embarrassing moments for feminism ever Steinem gasped noticeably, smiled... grimaced... made kind of a gutteral sound and stammered... and finally said as her supportive audience squirmed in discomfort at seeing their argument destroyed "Uh... well then what if the mother uh uh uh has a health problem, what do you choose, the baby or the mom"

Look, some can justify killing an unborn baby, but no one sane really believes its "not a baby". It's a baby, that's why their killing it. Because they don't want a BABY!

Collen, do you have a funeral every month? I mean, the way you talk, I assume you're one of the "good women" providing sex for men. So every period represents a death, right?

I bet if you missed your period, you'd run right out and get a birth certificate for the "baby," right?

For a self-proclaimed feminist, how cavelierly you dismiss the woman's role in pregnancy. I guess a woman is just a bus, right?

Oh my.

I note that for all your gripes about feministing, you don't link to any site of your own. Why is that? Could it be that you don't practice what you preach? Why don't you start up your own site, instead of practicing the very whining you whine about here?

(Sorry Jessica, I can't help myself. I'll shut up now.)

Media Girl:

Sounds to me like your parents need to sit down with you next year when you turn 11 and have THAT talk with you, you sure don't understand sex or the female body very well.

Did you think your period was your body getting rid of impregnanted eggs? It isn't. Only eggs that haven't been impregnated are removed during your period. You don't have a period when you are pregnant because an egg is impregnated and the body won't remove it thus killing the baby.

Get some sex ed. in junior high, it'll all get clearer to you!

CK's facade is slipping. Anyday now he'll she'll reveal who she really is.

Anyway, I thought the site was stupid fun until I saw the racist slap at my boyfriend. Seeing as how he really has nothing to do with this, that was a low, low blow.

Every fertilized egg implants successfully? Wow, that turns decades of clinical data upside down. I hereby nominate CK for a Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine.

Abortion and miscarriages are ambiguous events that women do NOT react to uniformly, but it's slick of you to try to define normalcy as having only one emotional reaction to those events. I've seen friends & relatives through abortions and miscarriages, and have been struck by the difference of their reactions, depending on their circumstances. CK has plenty of feminist just-so stories, though--curious.

Anyone else reckon that CK's comments share the style and thematic preoccupations of the spoof site?

CK, it seems you forgot that according to MARR (misogynists against reproductive rights) life supposedly begins at conception. That means you're biology lesson is, um, wrong?

Perhaps you were picketing Planned Parenthood the day in class when we learned that not all fertilized eggs actually implant successfully in the uterus. But don't let facts get in the way of your rants. It's all very entertaining. It's like a parody of a real debate right here on the real site.

I came here by way of Pandagon and I'm amazed. The parody site is... well, they went to all the trouble of setting it up and then got slap-dash and threw in every lazy cliche they could think of. What really interests me is ColleenKelly.

I think the difference between "baby" and "bunch of cells" as terms for a fetus is mostly a matter of whether the woman carrying it actively wants it or not. The thing currently kicking hell out of my belly is quite definitely a baby, and if I lost it I would be devastated, but the things that grow inside other women can be mere fetuses without overturning my value system.

As regards wimpy/girly/whatever kind of men outspoken feminists are supposed to prefer, I have no patience with my now-ex (baby's father) precisely because he's such a spineless wimp. He fits exactly the profile of what the parody guys would have us believe a feminist does: whining and making himself out to be the victim at all times. If I was interested in complete domination, he'd be perfect, but I like men who can at least take charge of their own affairs to some extent, thank-you-very-much.

I only skimmed it, so I missed the racist comments about Amanda's boyfriend, but I did catch the flaming hatred towards college educated middle class white women.

College-educated seems to be a major trigger for these guys, and CK seems to be quite proud of 'her' working-class background herself, in a defensive sort of way. Maybe CK & The Parody Men would relax a little if they'd wander around the blogrolls a bit and find the ones made by non-college grads or working single moms and other sundry non "silly little spoiled white girls." They might calm down once they realize that no one here is saying "non-degreed = moron" or "blue-collar worker = icky"

And is anyone else having trouble verifying CK's claims about tracking software and Stienem quotes? Maybe my google skills are a bit rusty.

Woah, these guys have obviously got WAY too much time on their hands ... and some real issues with diversity of opinion, and women with .. well, thoughts, and race, and ... damn, pick a diversity ...

CK, it is probably best that you return to fucking your hairy mountain man

What did hairy mountain men ever do to you, C? Why do you wish such evil upon us?

I have no idea where the "racist" nonsense comes from, I guess they were so embarrassed at being outed as full of crap that they tried to come up with something.

Secondly, where does this "college educated" nonsense come from. I have a Bachelor's Degree from Northwestern University here on the good ol' north shore of Chicago. This site's problems have nothing to do with education or race. Their problems range from laziness to bullshitting. Rich girls living off of daddy until Mr. Right comes along so they can switch men to live off of hardly makes them feminists.

This sites feminists exist basically within the parameters of two basic complaints. They are upset that someone (the gov't? Daddy? Anyone?) hasn't come along and just given them everything they want without them working for it is in their view a result of "PATRIARCHY". It isn't "patriarchy" that is your problem young girls... its "laziness". You think just because you are women and daddy has taken care of you until now and you haven't achieved anything (though you haven't tried) means you are a victim of sexism. NOOOO,it means you are a victim of laziness!

Secondly, you'll find its a lot easier to learn about and use birth control and possibly consider NOT spreading your legs for every guy who offers to split a beer with you while mumbling, "Oh...yeah...uh... I'm a feminist, too" then it is running out for an abortion every couple of months.

You little women aren't feminists, you are a feminist's nightmare of hyporcrisy and just plain ol' missing the point!

"Secondly, you'll find its a lot easier to learn about and use birth control and possibly consider NOT spreading your legs for every guy who offers to split a beer with you while mumbling, "Oh...yeah...uh... I'm a feminist, too" then it is running out for an abortion every couple of months."

Yeah, because that happens all the damn time.

So, apparently I'm kinda a girly-man, and thus I deserve nothing but scorn, and probably I should be beaten up a few times to make me tougher.

I didn't realise that real feminism was about yelling at people who don't fit traditional gender roles. You learn something everyday.

CK, your ability to pretend you're a woman and not one of the men involved in this is fading quickly. And while you and your buddies hide behind score for white women, as if that made you not racist somehow, taking potshots at my boyfriend, who has nothing to do with this, is completely out of line.

Amanda:

You are just a flat out LIAR. I never made any racial comments towards your boyfriend or any other person. My husband of 24 years is African-American. I'd be a pretty confused racist!

I think what you are confusing is my pointing out that the only men who'd be with you silly FAKE feminists who sit around and whine all day about "Patriarchy" and other such silly, mentally ill conspiracy theories (maybe that's what men are doing when they say they are at ball games: they're REALLY at secret PATRIARCHY meetings planning the next way the girls at Feministing are gonna get screwed out of something they never worked for anyway).

Any man that'd be with a silly, whining, nagging, bitching ("oh woe is me, those evil men have screwed up my life again") fake feminist like you and the other girls is either so physically unattractive that he figures because fake feminists give out their pussies like gum in a barbershop he has no choice but to fake support or he's just a girly man looking for you to take on the "male" role. Is that what you thought was racist?

I didn't realise that real feminism was about yelling at people who don't fit traditional gender roles. You learn something everyday.

Christopher, you do indeed learn something everyday. I hope you'll spend more time around MRAs. Then you will learn much more about feminist lies.

So, apparently I'm kinda a girly-man, and thus I deserve nothing but scorn, and probably I should be beaten up a few times to make me tougher.

Hey, you're a man. You're a guy. There's no good reason to berate yourself, no matter what the feminist man-haters tell you. Even so, if you want to toughen up, e-mail me and maybe we can put the gloves on sometime. You might show me a thing or two about boxing also.

CK, shoo. Seriously, go find your own corner of the internet where you are wanted and contribute to their rants.

Go away.

I don't care if she's a guy or a girl, it's superflurous. She's a jackass.

Feminist does not equal slut. Women still like sex. Not all women have regrets after an abortion. Pregnancy is a process. No one is complaining about the patriarchy been the cause of all ills, and no one's mad that everything hasn't just handed to us girls. Look around you: everyone that blogs or blogments has at least one job, and a lot of them are moms (which is a job, just not as well paid). Feminists aren't just going from daddy to husband, that's what women did BEFORE feminism. And their bfs and husbands are more manly than any boner that has no respect for women.

Of course not all women have regrets about abortion. Motherhood and human life means nothing to many of them. After all, that is what abortion is, the termination of a human life in the womb. That is why 50 million babies have been killed, making the abortion holocaust worse than the Nazi holocaust, and making some inclined to mouth without any irony whatsoever terms like, 'FemiNazi.'

The very presence of you spoiled white girls on the web protesting against imaginary enemies is laughable, when the truth is you are the most priveleged group of human beings ever to walk the Earth. No two ways about it. You would not know hardship if it jumped at you in a dark alley. You are spoiled middle class brats who have discovered the perfect racket to extort free money and careers, for you lack all other talent and ability other than as pristesses in the cult of entitlement/complaint, feminism.

I disagree with CK in one respect, that these spoiled white girls give feminism a bad name. They give it an appropriate name and they are quite fitting standard bearers for the cult. "It's all someone else's fault" should be your slogan. It is sad, pathetic, and deep down many of you know it, which is why you take a deep breath and project extra hard whenever someone makes you look at the truth unembellished.

You are the most priveleged human beings on Earth, all on the backs of men. No denying it; men created the system, you are sucking its life blood, and it will soon collapse. Socialism of this kind is not sustainable, especially with a declining birth rate (which we have as a result of the destruction of marriage, a stated aim of feminists.) Men are dropping out of the system, not marrying, and the system will collapse; no more feminism, no more free handouts, no more government apparatus with money enough to pander to your whims for fear of political pressure from your lobby.

The shit will hit the fan, ladies and gentladies, and it will happen in your life time. Be prepared, I suggest.

Damn, CK. I said you friends were racist on their cute little site. Pardon me though, if I am incredulous about the husband thing, since the female thing is still giving me doubts.

Damn, CK. I said you friends were racist on their cute little site. Pardon me though, if I am incredulous about the husband thing, since the female thing is still giving me doubts.

I've been to the real feministing site--feministing.org--and there's nothing racist there. Even though I don't believe that you have a boyfriend, if you did, to refer to him as "Latino" in a purely factual statement is not racist. I know that you little white-girl princesses find it chic to throw around words like "racist" and "sexist," but it's just a game you play from your sheltered ivory tower of privilege.

Now, run along little Amanda, and go play with your imaginary boyfriend.

'CK, it seems you forgot that according to MARR (misogynists against reproductive rights) life supposedly begins at conception. That means you're biology lesson is, um, wrong?'

Huh? You asked Colleen if she had a funeral every month for her period. She answered that it is unfertilized eggs that are passed in a period (there is no implantation of a zygote, so your period occurs).

And you post that? There is no 'conception' with a period...

Damn, I had my hopes up with this parody site - but alas. "Sadly, Yes!" at least had a sort of filthy child-smearing-feces-on-the-wall glee to it. This, though - this is _pathetic_. Calling it a parody site is annoying - "parody" connotates humor to me, and there's not really any there, just biluous hatred sloppily framed as hating feminists, men who agree with feminists, and anyone with a college education.

I'm counting ColleenKelly and the MRA trolls here as part of the parody. They're close enough.

CK:
Ignoring your mad case of ADD...

Just cuz *you* make a shitty cop doesn't mean that ALL women would make shitty cops. In fact, not all men would make great cops either. I would rather have a female black belt in karate come to my rescue than Stephen Hawking or Paule Shore. And there are shades of feminism, some adhering to the belief that there are minimal differences between men and women, and others believing that there are a wide range of differences but that they shouldn't matter in the bigger picture. I don't think men and women are the same because I don't think people in general are the same. Having a vagina doesn't make you a bad cop the same way having a penis doesn't make you good at math. I teach self defense and regularly spar with men twice my size. I'm 5'6 and 110lbs but I can take down my 6'7 220lbs partner. There's more to confrontation than size so don't blame your failure on your pussy.
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Repeat: I'm not white. I don't find that this site speaks only to the white middle class female. They deal with issues of race and gender. Oh, and I also haven't had a "perfect" life (jealous of the bloggers'lives are you?). I've survived poverty and abusive parents/partner before I got into self defense and feminism. This "crap" saved my life by showing me that I'm not a punching bag, so show a little respect.
Next: Did I mention abortion? Nope? Moving on.
Next: "girly men". Thanks again for showing your level of sexism. You make a rotten feminist if you can't allow for equality between the sexes. If a man wants to write poetry, sing opera, or dance ballet who are you to judge his life choices? Especially since you decided you wanted to break the mold and be a cop. Men should have the same rights as women to pick what they do with their lives and your degradation of them for being "girly" is callous and sexist. Gender roles are societal, which is why they aren't universal (do some work in anthropology and you'll see that). In the middle east men grieve by weeping openly at funerals. Would you call the men of Iraq girly?
Next: None of these women are "fake feminists" just because you are too judgemental and close minded to accept them. The definition of feminism is belief in the equality of women and men and there is nothing that says that you can't believe in equality and still adhere to traditions *if* you make the choice to do so. White wedding or not, motherhood or not, stay at home or have a career, marry or don't, sex it up or don't. Feminism supports the ability of the individual (male and female) to choose what's in their own best interest.
Next: "This site's problems have nothing to do with education or race." If that's the case, why do you keep harping on how the women on this site are all spoiled middle class college educated white females? Sex/race/class don't give you a lock on the truth pertaining to that group. I've known men who were better feminists than I am. I've been a better black activist than some of my black friends.
Next: Daddy didn't give me squat. I moved out when I was 16 to escape Daddy and I've been living on my own ever since. I have worked as many as 3 jobs while taking fulltime classes because I refuse to be dependent on anyone. Don't call me lazy, you don't know me. And patriarchy is the system that let my dad break my jaw when I was 10 and not spend anytime in jail. The cops said "He's just a father disciplining his child." That is patriarchy. I don't blame individuals for it, I blame the system that allows for that sort of thing to happen to children. I don't think any one should have to live through what I did. Even though I survived (and thrived), the system that supports violence, rape, and restrictions based on the presence or absence of a vagina needs to be dismantled. I'm changing the system to protect people (men and women) from what should not be allowed to continue. I guess that means that I love men more than you because I love them enough to let them be who they want to be instead of forcing my views down their throat like some sort of over controlling parent making their son go to law school when he really wants to be an architech.

mediagirl:

I *think* you misunderstood my first post. I meant that the site of the origninal post frustrated me. The .org is frustrating, not the .com

“….disagree with CK in one respect, that these spoiled white girls give feminism a bad name. They give it an appropriate name and they are quite fitting standard bearers for the cult.”

Hello- we’re not all white! I happen to be African-American. Can you stereotype feminist bloggers anymore? Way to be anti-feminist by not including other communities!

But really, that’s beside the point. Y’all are just unintelligent. There is really nothing else to say. You come on a feminist website and you spit out tired clichés, you insult people’s partners, and you make backhanded racist and sexist comments. All under the guise of being “real” feminists. CK & co., you’re just not smart, college degrees or no college degrees. But even worse, you’re not even FUNNY. You’re completely incapable of delivering anything original. If you’re going to provide us with entertainment, at least be creative about it! Even your use of sarcasm (something most people can do) is just absolutely horrendous. I demand humor! Go visit Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter- perhaps they can give you some tips.

I love it when very wounded men try to impersonate women to post about feminism. They don't realize how very transparent they are.

And by the way guys, er, I mean CK et al, it's true. Lesbians don't hate men. Sorry to bruise your fantasy, but we don't really think about men much. We have male friends, fathers, sons and brothers whom we love dearly. We even sometimes have crushes on and attractions to men and sometimes even have sex with men.

What's so hard for the walking wounded men to understand is that lesbians are attracted to women because women are so very attractive and so very hot. It's very painful for some men to learn that lesbianism isn't in reaction to them and has nothing to do with them. They want to be in there somewhere, but sorry guys. It really is all about the girls.

Amanda says "taking potshots at my boyfriend, who has nothing to do with this, is completely out of line."

Maybe you should ban CK for daring to be out of line with you the way you banned me from Pandagon. After all, if you can't win an argument, you should just ban them , right?

BTW, I guess i was right about that whole london thing, wasn't I? I don't really expect an apology from you, though. That would take class and honor. I noticed you deleted that whole post from your archives. Getting rid of the evidence, huh?

Are you going to get me banned from feministing now?

I came here from Pandagon, and all I have to say is that I am so grateful to ColleenKelly for telling us all about this new technology out there on the internet that lets you see such personal things about people you've never met and wouldn't recognize if you saw them on the street. I am so impressed. ColleenKelly, you must tell me what kind of computer, browser and internet connection you are using. I really need try this out for myself. And then perhaps I can return the favor, and spend an almost disturbing amount of time writing up lengthy, spittle-covered diatribes that list each of your own failings. It's helped me so much, I'm positive you could benefit as well.

Fridgehead: Let it go already, there's nothing more pathetic than someone who focuses so much on something that shouldn't affect you a great deal

Real men just walk away and try to be the bigger man, they don't jump up and down flinging their crap hither and yon in an attempt to get people to pay attention to them. Note that you are being lectured on masculinity by a woman (and worse: you seem to need it) and also note that football hooligans didn't smash up mosques all over london town, which is what you got banned for sayiing on 7/7, so STFU and grow some 'nad hair, you pathetic manchild.

I've been to the real feministing site--feministing.org--and there's nothing racist there. Even though I don't believe that you have a boyfriend, if you did, to refer to him as "Latino" in a purely factual statement is not racist.

Oh again, grow the hell up for ffs, you know and I know and anyone with half a brain knows that the only point in saying someone's SI is "latino" is to try to shame them by pointing out that they are in a *GASP* Interracial relationship! (you did notice that MAanda wight

There is no non-racist rason for pointing out that her SI is Latino, it is not relevant to any discussion that's going on right here and right now, so cut the childish pre-school "well I was only saying it to be factually accurate" BS, You know Exactly WHY you brought up her latino SI, be a man and admit it or just drop the issue if you don't like being called names you hairless balled moron.

And the rest of you! Why are you so incredibly weak and pathetic and so deeply insecure just being men that you have to get your jollies trying (and even more pathetically, failing) to intimidate a bunch of people belonging to a gender you love to tell yourselves are so inferior to your own?

If you think your so great because of your gender then act like it! Why is that such a hard thing for you to do? You must realise how pathetic an ego that's built on tearing other people down is and looks?

Why are you embarrassing yourselves like this?

Thank you for saying it first (and better than I could have) Ahlana:

"Just cuz *you* make a shitty cop doesn't mean that ALL women would make shitty cops"

No matter who or what CK reallly is, you hit the nail on the head there regarding his/her/its 'reasoning'.

You silly feminist wannabe's embarrass me with your attempts at glibness that only fail and accentuate the foolishness of your positions.

I wasn't a "shitty" cop, I was just female. Someone 5' 5" and 108 pounds can have all the training in the world but still can't handle a 6' 180 pound man. In almost all patrol situations female officers at best are just in the way and in many circumstances just make situations worse by giving the male cops more work and more to worry about. A group of cops going into a bar fight have to worry about breaking up the fight and making arrests. When there are female officers there (which NEVER happens anymore because of software that would steer the female officers away or assign them to traffic control)the male cops now have to worry not only about breaking up the fight and making arrests but also about protecting the female officers.

Because of differences in size and strength I was -- as 99.99% of women are - an extremely ineffective patrol officer. But, I am a great detective. Physical strength does not come into it and gender has no effect.

Having laws that force employers to hire women into positions where male strength gives them a wide advantage is just silly. It just costs us all a fortune (female patrol officers nationwide are hurt on the job 7 more times than males and spend 4.2 times more time on injury/disability pay). Among detectives those numbers are the same for men and women.

Laws that don't acknowledge the differences between men and women are silly, illogical and only hurt real feminists by making them appear just plain old stupid. We could pass a law that says horse-racing discriminates against women by not letting them put on a saddle and compete with the horses. But the horses would always win and no law would make horses and women "equal" in speed.

Back when I was young we came on demanding just the right to equally compete with men for work. We said we didn't want any special treatment, just an equal shot. Well, it turns out we lied. Once we got the equal shot we started demanding all sorts of special treatment: "Ewww, don't tell a dirty joke that I might overhear (if I try really hard)." "Oh no, those physical requirements are too hard -- I understand that they are necessary to protect the public -- but lower them anyway." "I know I said I wanted a job but now I want time off -- with pay -- for when I CHOOSE to have a baby, in fact, you know what... I think I might take off years to raise the children I CHOOSE to have but when I return I want my pay and benefits to be the same as if I was actually here all those years."

When I was first a young patrol officer the grooming requirements were the same for male and female officers. Short hair and no jewelry. These are very sensible rules for patrol officers. Bad guys grab your hair during altercations if its long enough to grab and the same with jewelry such as loop earrings, necklaces, etc.

The second year I was an officer and our female officers had soared to only 1 percent of the police force one of our female officers got NOW to file a lawsuit allowing us (female officers ONLY) to have any length hair we wanted and to wear any jewelry we wanted. Sigh... just another reason why in certain jobs -- such as patrol officer -- women know they aren't really real cops, and the male cops know it too.

Sorry, girls, radical feminism is bullshit. There are differences between men and women and social policy that doesn't recognize it is foolish and damaging. And its exactly why most people -- especially women -- reject feminism.

I bet I know why you sucked at your job as a cop. It wasn't because you were a 'woman'. It's because you spend all goddamn day on the internet engaging in flamewars. Seriously, a life can be yours for the low cost of turning off your computer and stepping out your front door.

Well GEE "easilyirritable":

I work the evening shift -- I'm at home now -- and it seems like perhaps YOU are here also. Why not take your own advice and turn your computer off???

Because I'm actually at work right now. I'm at work right now but soon I will go home and mooch off my husband, who is currently at home, cleaning our apartment and making dinner plans for tonight. But whatever - I have a vagina, therefore I am a leech. But if it's not my husband I leech off of, it's my dad, right? Right.

Ok, CK, I'll use smaller words to make sure you understand... I mean 'I'll use smaller words so that you get it'

I am 5'6 and 110 lbs. I spar daily with men. Those men are between 6' and 6'7 and weigh between 170 and 230 lbs. I can effectively take on up to 4 men at one time (170x4=680 lbs of flesh vs 110lbs and I still win). My pussy doesn't get in the way of being a self defense instructor or of winning martial arts tournaments. The best part is that I'm not some body building phenom. I have a very petite build; I'm much smaller than WAY more than .01% of the female population. So, if I can do what I do then so can hundreds of thousands of other women. Teaching women how to do this is my job.

Don't blame your vagina for your own failure.

I guess you must be jealous that I'd make a better cop than you... If you want I could give you some lessons. I'd even do it pro bono.

As for the rest of the arguments that I presented you with, thank you for dropping all of them. In a debate to drop a point is to concede it.

So, onto the new arguments you are about to lose...

There are NO laws that *force* companies to hire women (or minorities). If you are trying to slam Affirmative Action, you'd better to look at how it really works. It gives goals, guidelines, suggestions, and direction to diversify the workforce (which actually increases productivity and is better for the company in the long run). The biggest part of AA is recruitment policy that usually says "hey, we don't have any women here. Maybe we should go to a place where women are and post our employment ad".
Next.
Outlawing sexual harrassment isn't some superfluous thing or a special privaledge for women. Men use SH laws as well. Look it up.
Next.
Almost every developed country in the world has a policy that offers paid time off for new mothers and many offer something similar for new fathers. We are the bass-ackward laughing stock of the developed world because we treat our mothers like dirt. Again, feminism is about choice (and, in this case, respect) and I think women/men should have the option to stay home and be with a newborn without being fired (the way my sister was).
Next.
If something is impractical (ear rings, long hair etc) it shouldn't be allowed regardless of sex. Just as long as it is a safety issue and not some arbitrary imposition of societal gender norms. Holy hell, we might actually agree on something. But wait!
Next.
"women know they aren't really real cops, and the male cops know it too."
***You should be ashamed of yourself.***
Female officers every year get killed in the line of duty protecting society and their partners and defending justice and you slander their sacrifice for the purpose of your own petty issues with your individual failure. Just because *you* couldn't hack it doesn't mean that they weren't good at it and doesn't mean that they deserve your derision.
Next.
Define your terms-
Radical feminism: questions why women *must* adopt certain roles based on their biology, just as it questions why men adopt certain other roles based on theirs. Radical feminism attempts to draw lines between biologically-determined behavior and culturally-determined behavior in order to free both men and women *as much as possible* from their previous narrow gender roles. Not all women are feminine, not all men are masculine.
But, radical feminism isn't the whole package of feminist thought. There are other views that run along side it. (socialist, liberal, marxist, moderate, separatist, gender, eco, the list goes on)
And you are right, there are differences between women and men; namely one has a vagina and the other has a penis. That doesn't mean that men are always bigger or always stronger. It doesn't mean that women as a whole are weak. Think of it as 2 bell curves that are mostly overlapping but one is shifted just a little to one side.
Ex. the tallest man is taller than the tallest woman, but there are many women taller than the average man. Saying that women shouldn't be patrol officers is operating under the flawed assumption that all women are weaker than all men.
Next.
Many women reject feminism because they don't know what it really means. They think (because people like you tell them) that it's all about hating men and being whiny. Not a very good sales pitch. When women are told the main points of feminism 75% of them agree with the 10 main points but still don't label themselves as feminists.

jpjesus:
You're welcome :)

Dear "easilyirritable":

No, apparently you are "leeching" off of your employer. You are at work yet you are surfing the net. You seem to be saying (complaining) that your husband is at home and apparently not working. You make my point. Why do you fake feminists always wind up with these effeminate "girly-men" male partners. Do real, independent, strong men really intimidate you that much? Why would you accept a girly-man who stays home and cleans the apartment? Why does this effeminate wimp appeal to you? Everyone has noticed that fake feminists tend to be just angry about not being physically attractive. Is this why you've accepted less than a real man?

Look, feminism is supposed to be about being treated equally. It is not supposed to be a shield of justification for those with very low self-esteem issues. You don't like your appearance? You don't like your life? What did you solve by accepting this girly-man with no drive? Wouldn't a real man have made more sense?

Get off this site and start checking out some mental health and self-esteem sites. Start improving your life today! You can thank me later...

I'm running out of time so I'll respond to most of your sillyness later.

Your martial arts claims are just laughable. Your size would not help you with even a moderately capable man of 6 feet and average weight. To say so makes you a liar.

In 1981 Muhammad Ali, old and fat and in need of money accepted a challenge to fight the World's Martial Arts champion, a Japanese man of great Martial Arts skill. The fight had no rules. Each fighter could use their own methods. Ali wore boxing gloves and only boxed. The Martial Arts champion came barefoot and used all of his martial arts skill.

The fight almost lasted ONE round. Old, fat Ali almost murdered the guy. While the little guy kicked and punched, etc. Ali POUNDED this much smaller man (he was only 5' 7" and of average weight) until he finally called out in surrender. BOTH of his cheekbones were fractured and for weeks his face was unrecognizable.

Martial arts isn't magic, it can teach some nice tricks. But in hand to hand battle a reasonably knowledgeable fighter of superior strength can easily overcome martial arts tricks. In the US because of movies and the "mystery of the east" we've elevated the martial arts to almost a mystical, magical level. In Japan (where I lived for two years) its just looked upon as a form of fighting, one in which they also realize the stronger person almost always wins.

You embarrass yourself by thinking that some martial arts lessons and some very controlled fake "fights" in competition prepare you for a real fight. Come to Chicago and I'll send you out with a tactical squad in a nightclub district and let you enter a bar brawl. Drunken, oveweight 35 year old men would kick your ass... but don't worry, the MALE officers will be there to save you...

Since you have a need to believe that all feminists are castrating bitches who either like lesbians or wimpy girly men, and since you are going to read whatever you'd like into whatever I say, I'll go ahead and let you believe that you are correct. Because unlike you, I do actually have better things to do than spend my time debating on the internet.

What's the saying? "Debating on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics"? Right. Congratulations, buddy - here's your gold medal.

Ck:
Misogyny is the hatred of women or of things that are feminine.
Calling men who stay home "girly men" in a derogetory way is misogynistic because it shows that you hate things that are feminine. (Men shouldn't stay home and clean because then they'd be just like women and that is BAD)

Real independent strong men can stay home and raise the kids... it takes a lot of strength to put up with people like you insulting them and living in a society that deems home care "not a real job". An independent man will do what he wants to do regardless of how you insult his masculinity.
And by the way... if you are so in to traditional gender roles, why are you being so argumentative? That's a masculine trait. Your job is to sit down, shut up and let your hubby tell you what to think before he goes out and kills dinner.

I like beating you in every argument that you bring up. That boosts my self-esteem much more than counseling ever could. Thanks for being so easy to beat.
^_^

Martial arts isn't magic. It's skill. The problem with your Ali fight analogy is that in a match like the one you describe the Japanese guy was forced to pull a lot of punches. The majority of what I teach involves being able to kill people with very little physical effort. I wouldn't pull that out in a fight with Ali. Who wants to be remembered as the person that killed Ali with a punch to the throat?
If you really want I could send you a pic of my trophie room; I don't like to brag, but you really shouldn't call me a liar. And for the record, not all of my fights are in the dojo.

Last I checked the majority of the people you come across while on patrol aren't well-trained. And if they are, then being a male officer isn't going to save you. Stop whining about how you couldn't do your job because you are weak and ineffective in a fight.

PS I'll be in Chicago on Tuesday. Want a lesson on how to fight inspite of your ownership of a cunt? I'm not afraid of these bar fights like you are either...

Who says being "argumentative" is a male trait? You are letting your sexism show.

See, you fake feminists bust yourselves all the time. You don't believe in equality. You believe that women should be treated better than men. Period!

You don't want to compete on a level playing field because you fake feminists really don't do anything but whine. If there was a whining olympics, you'd all have gold medals. Then you'd complain that the medals aren't shiny enough and that the lack of shinyness must be a male conspiracy resulting from an evil, secret PATRIARCHY meeting!

Secondly, your claims about the Ali fight are nonsense. I saw the fight. The much smaller martial arts fighter was just overmatched by size and strength and weight. After the fight, the martial arts champion said, "he was just too big, this is why we fight in weight classes". See? Size and strength matter.

As far as your wanting to come to Chicago and fight me, that would be great. You said I was afraid of bar fights. Who wouldn't be? Any sane person is afraid of a situation in which they or someone else might be seriously hurt.

The difference between me and you is I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN HUNDREDS OF THEM, while you have been in a very controlled martial art fight or two at half speed with no real contact allowed and your opponent was matched to you by skill and size ands weight. I had none of those advantages on patrol, I just had to fight whoever came along. Also, you've never had to encounter those who don't fight fair: I've been hit with bottles, chairs, tables and one time a person through a snake on me. I've also been stabbed twice (never shot or shot at, thank GOD).

So since you seem so anxious to fight come on by. You've never been in a real fight before so maybe its time. I'll let you attack me first, I'll turn my back and let you go. Then after I subdue you and put you in cuffs I'll through your fake feminist butt in jail. You'll love it there, it'll be all women...

maybe you guys should meet at 3pm behind the jungle gym.

seriously, let's get off the physical threats.

and try not to feed the trolls, ladies. you're giving CK exactly what he/she wants...

Liar, liar, pants on fire...

There was no fight between Ali and a martial artist in 1981. He fought Antonio Inoki in 1976, it was called a draw, Ali asked to have the rule that he couldn't be kicked in the head, the fight was 15 3 minute rounds, and Inoki is 6' 1" 240 lbs. Way to make crap up though... you had me going for a minute. So now I'm thinking that you aren't a female, that you aren't a cop, and that you aren't telling the truth about a myriad of other things. You rule.

Also, learn to read. I said, "And by the way... if you are so in to traditional gender roles, why are you being so argumentative? That's a *masculine* trait."
Masculine is different than male, and I was making fun of you for violating your own gender role rules, not suggesting that only men should/could be argumentative.
Steroetypical masculine traits included strength, assertiveness, rationality, and biologically driven sex needs; whereas, feminine characteristics included softness, dependence, passivity, emotionality, and physical attractiveness. You seem to be endorsing that men should be masculine and women should be feminine, so why don't you stop being assertive the way you stopped being rational? Or do you only follow the rules that suit you at the moment they work in your favor?

I didn't say I'd go to Chicago to fight you; I said I'd teach you how to fight. Again, learn to read.

I have competed in full contact fights, thankyouverymuch. We don't do half-speed anything. And once you reach my rank you don't only fight people in your weight class. I am guaranteed to fight people of my skill level while you are dealing with drunk men. Been there, done that.
Self defense is all about fighting against people who don't fight fair. I deal with multiple attackers, knives, and blunt objects (think bats and pool cues). If you'd taken a lesson with me you might just have avoided getting yourself stabbed. (One of my favorite moves is getting someone with a knife to stab themselves... I highly recommend it for poetic justice purposes).
And I took a beating almost every day for the first 16 years of my life. Daddy didn't fight fair. Neither did the abusive boyfriend. You are arguing off of a lot of misguided assumptions. Don't presume that you know me.

And if you are so incompetent at being a patrol cop how could you subdue me? Make up your mind; you are either a badass or a weakling, but you can't have it both ways.

I love how you ignore every good point that I make.
Keep up the good work.

Jessica:

CK misunderstood what I said. I never made a physical threat. I'm better than that.

Also, the reason I keep the argument going is simple:

"Young women are rarely given the opportunity to speak on their own behalf on issues that affect their lives and futures. Feministing provides a platform for us to comment, analyze and influence. "

Ahlana--I know, the comment was really more directed at CK. Apologies for the confusion. And of course you're more than welcome to keep arguing for as long as you'd like. I just hate giving CK the attention he/she so desperately wants. I'm glad that you like/utilize the mission by the way!

The fight with Antonio Inoki seriously damaged Ali's health, as well. Prior to the fight, Ali's people had the rules changed so that Inoki could not kick except from a squatting position or if his knees were in contact with the mat; he was also not allowed to slam Ali (after watching Inoki, they decided this was potentially possible, despite the size difference). If you've seen footage of the fight, you'll know that Inoki kicked Ali's legs many times from a squatting position (sort of a sliding kick, I think it was actually known as the "Ali kick" for a while). The kicks caused damage to the blood vessels in Ali's legs, and he had to be hospitalized following the match.

So, even with the rules against him, we have a martial arts expert causing lasting damage to a heavyweight champion of the world. Oh, and Ali? Only landed six punches in the fifteen rounds.

Yeah, I'm not sure what part of insinuating I date my boyfriend because of his ethnicity isn't racist. But keep lying to yourselves, assholes.

I keep hearing about the 'racist ' remark about Amanda's boyfriend, but I couldn't find it. If you're going to keep referencing it, Amanda, as the reason you can't stand the site, couldn't you paste it here? It's hard to debate something blindfolded. As I recall, there was a thread with a title that started 'That Asian Fetish Thang'(dont't remember the rest)on Pandagon in which the point that only losers go after Asian women was debated. In regards to a remark that the thread was racist, and that you probably couldn't get a date yourself, you replied that you have a biracial boyfriend so you couldn't possibly be racist in a superior, 'so there' tone...I bet that was the origin of any remark made...it was a really irritating thread, that one...

This was rich--

'I bet I know why you sucked at your job as a cop. It wasn't because you were a 'woman'. It's because you spend all goddamn day on the internet engaging in flamewars.

it seems like perhaps YOU are here also. Why not take your own advice and turn your computer off???

Because I'm actually at work right now'

HaHA! Is that the kettle I hear saying something?

Then--

'I guess i was right about that whole london thing, wasn't I? I don't really expect an apology from you, though. That would take class and honor. I noticed you deleted that whole post from your archives. Getting rid of the evidence, huh?'

This young man complained of being banned at another site...the reply?

'Let it go already, there's nothing more pathetic than someone who focuses so much on something that shouldn't affect you a great deal

Real men just walk away and try to be the bigger man, they don't jump up and down flinging their crap '

Suck it up? Great answer, a man should take a slap in the face as a 'real man'?

'anyone with half a brain knows that the only point in saying someone's SI is "latino" is to try to shame them by pointing out that they are in a *GASP* Interracial relationship!'

Shame them?? I'd think the person IN the relationship would already know it and not need it pointed out. Shame them....hmmmm...

Keep boo-hooing, idiot. I was told that disliking the fetishization of one race=being against interracial dating. Clearly not true, but instead of dealing with reality, you and your buddies have decided to make racist slurs.

Anyway, I do think it's funny that white men that are well-off enough to move to Japan--something I could never afford--think they have a right calling anyone spoiled.

I'm a black feminist, and I have to say this: what real man is so scared of a bunch of women that they have to resort to vicious personal attacks? No one spends that much time and energy over comments on the internet unless they are threatened by them. A man who is threatened by strong women, who has to have his woman be less than him isn't a real man at all. He's just a cowardly little boy.

Ahh serendipity!

You know I'm rather bummed about this police officer talk. That Colleen Kelly person seems to envision a world where men are doing all the grunt work, like going out on patrol, while women get to do the glamorous detective work. Sure there will be a few guys such as myself and the other sissy's who have only brains and little brawn who will have to do the women's work too. But I feel bad for my more masculine brothers who will get stuck doing the menial work, like trained apes.

LOL Jedmunds.

It's kinda telling...feminists are always supposed to be the man-haters. We're not, we just don't believe that men should be able to fall back on stereotypes.

'Keep boo-hooing, idiot. I was told that disliking the fetishization of one race=being against interracial dating. Clearly not true, but instead of dealing with reality, you and your buddies have decided to make racist slurs.'

A great, totally unrelated answer to my post, as always, my dear.

I asked you to copy the slur from the other site to this one, and this is what I get? Show me the 'racist slur' instead of just alluding to it and stirring up your friends who will swallow it with no proof.

'Anyway, I do think it's funny that white men that are well-off enough to move to Japan--something I could never afford--think they have a right calling anyone spoiled.'

What does moving to Japan have to do with special laws and programs benefitting women? What does moving to Japan have to do with anything I asked you? Anything on this blog? I reminded you of the exchange I thought might be the origin of any mention of your boyfriend's race. Deflection, the tool of those who can't argue.

I find it interesting that you assume that anyone who moves to Japan is well-off...see? You can't imagine living on a shoe-string, teaching until you learn enough of the language to get another job,living in a dinky apartment as most ex-pats do at first. We're not handed anything on a silver platter.

And, I'm far from an idiot. You really demean yourself when you call names...makes you look so childish.

Jedmunds, from what I read , Colleen is saying that women are not strong enough for patrol work.

'I was on the job about 15 days before I realized that a woman -- unless she is extremely mannish and very unusually strong -- had absolutely no business being a patrol officer.'

'Before "radical feminist" demands were affected females in the PD could be trained to be detectives directly (detective work rarey if ever requires the kind of physical strength and command a patrol officer requires on the street).'

Now they have to follow the same track as men? Isn't that good? Or is detrimental to males in the department to have female patrol partners?

'That Colleen Kelly person seems to envision a world where men are doing all the grunt work, like going out on patrol, while women get to do the glamorous detective work.'

As one with no connection to law enforcement and not understanding the regulations that govern those positions, I can't comment on how right or wrong her views are in the paragraph I referenced...I would welcome your opinion though.

Her other remarks were right on target, and it is refreshing to see a woman address other women's views so directly. No PC, no ifs ands or buts.

Interesting, that because Colleen pulls no punches and argues logically, it's presumed she's a man. What does that say about unconscious gender bias in women? 'That's what a man would say!'Oops...

What does moving to Japan have to do with it? Gosh, spill a bunch of language and try to confuse the issuse, but you can't. That's an expensive move and the sort of life choice only available to very, very few people. I will probably never make enough money to visit Japan, much less move there.

Therefore you and your spoiled little friends don't really have a right to say shit to me.

And that you have to live on what your spoiled ass considers a "shoestring" is cute. My shoestring doesn't cover the plane ticket.

Just out of curiousity crella, why do you guys hide in your little forum, where you can all pretend your logic is so unimpeachable and that you're putting these "ameriskanks" in their place? And why are you so afraid that we'll discover it? Is that your little "safe space?" Where you can talk about your "issues" without the big bad feminists intimidating you? No one here is afraid to say anything publicly. Why are you and your niceguy pals so effeminate anyway?

'And that you have to live on what your spoiled ass considers a "shoestring" is cute. My shoestring doesn't cover the plane ticket.'

I'm saying that not everyone gets off the plane with pocketfulls of money. A ticket to Japan outside of summer season can be had for $600-$800 dollars...want the number of my travel agent?

How do you know what I have to live on? I as talking about financial position upon arrival. Also,I was not talking only about me,me,me,...I was speaking for all ex-pats...the majority come over with very little, rent a room in a 'gaijin house' and teach English until fluent in Japanese and do something else, or they get better and better teaching postions.You're very mistaken in assuming that because someone moves to or lives in Japan that they're loaded. Am I on a shoestring now? No, who would be after 25 years? Whether in your native country or abroad you are usually better off after 25 years,aren't you?

But all this is beside the point.

Post the slur, please...that's ALL I asked of you.

BTW 'spill a bunch of language'? You wanna translate that? Far as I could tell I posted in perfectly intelligible English...

Posted by crella at August 3, 2005 09:34 PM

Jedmunds, it's not fear of intimidation. Troll invasions are a pain in the arse. Pure and simple. Of course I'm probably a troll to Amanda et al...wherever I go, I simply post my opinions as any sensible person would. You get rabid types on a forum they purposely destroy threads, bait people, who needs it? Name-calling, insults, multiple positing, its' all such a damned waste of time.

How about my questions about the police force? Your opnion?

A ticket to Japan outside of summer season can be had for $600-$800 dollars

Man, you're rich. I wish I had that kind of money.

The funny thing is in their "safe" space, they think that they can be freer with their nasty little racisms and still pretend to be defending racial equality against the nasty feminists. It's a ruse that's so openly pathetic that you really kind of feel sorry for them.

It's funny that you can indulge sarcasm like over at .org, but you can't recognize irony. Was I seriously saying that what's her face envisions a world where men do all the grunt work? Think long and hard.

Yeah trolls, so scary.

Crella, I know that you know where it is. The joke about my relationship. Talk about projecting. I'm not after anyone because I think their race makes them more docile or something. He is a cool dude, a musician, funny, blah blah. And unlike you, I don't slink off to a forum to bitch about how I have to "resort" to one race or another because I don't like how white men act. I personally haven't noticed any tendencies one way or another for one race or another of men to act.

Why are you and your niceguy pals so effeminate anyway?

That's weird, Jedmunds. You're a reject among men who has to befriend lame feminists, so you try to attack our masculinity. Sorry, but that's an old trick and we're not falling for it.

Additionally, you're not in any position to talk. Remember how you referred to Bernard Goldberg derogatorily as a "pussy"? In case you don't, here's a link to it.

http://jedmunds.blogspot.com/2005/07/luminaries-and-lowlifes-part-three.html

So much for your respect for women.

Yeah I rememeber calling Bernard Goldberg a pussy, and I'd do it again. I'll call you a pussy too. I don't need anyone's permission to do that.

I don't ... I didn't see it and I can't be bothered to look for it. If you're going to make allegations of a slur, I think you're obliged to post it here so people can see it with their own eyes.Oh, but you can see into people's heads.

'And unlike you, I don't slink off to a forum to bitch about how I have to "resort" to one race or another because I don't like how white men act.'

Point out where I have said that! WHERE have I ever said I had to 'resort' to another race?

Burden of proof is on you, sweetheart.

Jedmunds,

'Was I seriously saying that what's her face envisions a world where men do all the grunt work? Think long and hard.'

So sorry, then , for mistaking your intent. My error.

Trolls scary? Nope--'a pain in the arse'is a pain in the arse.

Yeah I rememeber calling Bernard Goldberg a pussy, and I'd do it again. I'll call you a pussy too. I don't need anyone's permission to do that.

Oooh! Calling me a pussy from behind some computer screen and keyboard. Oh, I am so NOT impressed.

A ticket to Japan outside of summer season can be had for $600-$800 dollars

Man, you're rich. I wish I had that kind of money.

Ever hear of getting a job?

Well I finally found it...I hadn't read the profiles...

' I ALREADY HAVE A BOYFRIEND, which totally 100% proves I’m not a man-hater. But I don’t have to spread my legs for you or anyone else, fuck you very much. (Yeah, sex with me is exactly what’s on your tiny rapist-wannabe mind isn’t it?)

Plus, my boyfriend is LATINO cuz I hope it’ll piss-off my dad.'

As I suspected, this is a direct take-off on your posts on the 'That Asian Fetish Thang'. A thread on which men who like Asian women were said to be unable to get a woman in their own countries, that they were pedophilic (because Asian women don't have curves supposedly),they're losers, like 'submissive' women ,only pick them because they're 'docile' ...

So--it was turned around on you. You were given a supposed reason for choosing your boyfriend other than love(which men who like Asians were accused of) and the flaunting tone of your original post is really well-reproduced. Bites doens't it?

So you now know the feelings of every white man married to an Asian that has remarks made to him by western women. Walk a mile in their shoes.

MRA guy. I'm not trying to impress you. I don't know if you hang out at the niceguy forums like serendipity does, but as far as they're concerned, well I'm not going to call them pussies on this blog because I have regard for the standards of decorum around here, but the facts speak for themselves.

You, on the other hand, well, ya just have that stench if ya know what I'm saying (wink).

Posting user names from other forums is generally considered bad form, Jedmunds.

Jedmunds says:

MRA guy. I'm not trying to impress you.

Fair enough, man. We're even.

I don't know if you hang out at the niceguy forums like serendipity does, but as far as they're concerned, well I'm not going to call them pussies on this blog because I have regard for the standards of decorum around here, but the facts speak for themselves.

I don't know what that forum is or who 'serendipity' is. (That is someone who posts here, right?) I have been lurking at Pandagon and at Hugo's blog for a few months. Recently, I came here from a link at Hugo's site, for whatever it's worth.

You, on the other hand, well, ya just have that stench if ya know what I'm saying (wink).

Well, since you seem determined to insult me and call me names, how about we take it to private e-mail? I'll respect the decorum of this site with respect to you if you do the same? My e-mail is on my link on the comments. Hell, we might learn something from one another. On the other hand, we might just trade insults. I'm willing to risk it.

The funny thing is in their "safe" space, they think that they can be freer with their nasty little racisms and still pretend to be defending racial equality against the nasty feminists. It's a ruse that's so openly pathetic that you really kind of feel sorry for them.

Of course, there was no "racist" comment made. Perhaps you think by crying, "racist," you can make us all cower in a corner and shut up. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Men are taking back their rights and there is nothing you and your femi-thug allies can do about it.

you're gonna talk to me about bad form? I call myself a feminist and yet I still don't mind calling people euphemisms for vaginas on my own blog. You might want to try a different tack if you want to get me to show ass or whatever.

mraguy, I'll lay off the insults. If you want to send me an email or leave comments on my blog, feel free. There's free reign over there. And I'll likely respond, and I'll be as civil as I feel it warrants.

WOW, what fun you've all been having here!

I couldn't care a bit less about all your arguing. but what is with this "ahlana" and someone named "might" making up stuff about Ali's 1981 fight with Ichori Akakai???

Ichori Akakai was considered the finest mixed martial arts master in the Asian world from about 1978 on and is still a wonder. In 1981 a fight was arranged between Ali and Akakai because Akakai said Ali was disrespectful about martial arts.

Ali (also possibly motivated by a 5 million dollar payday) fought Akakai with NO RULES and destroyed Akakai in the first round. This was a famous fight at the time. Why are these two liars making up BS about it.

I've trained in the martial arts since 1975, represented the US in World Championship bouts twice and was anxious to see big mouth Ali (I've always hated him!) get his ass kicked. He didn't though. He humiliated and abused Akakai at will. Akakai also famously went into hiding for over two years after the fight causing rumors that he had committed suicide (he hadn't, he was just embarrassed).

I still study martial arts and retired last year from the NYC police department. I dont know what this woman is saying about software not sending women into dangerous situations on the job but I do know that I was US mixed martial arts champion twice and I've always known that size matters in fighting and that a good boxer can absolutely kick your ass if you are not careful, especially if the boxer is bigger and has a longer reach. Also, as much as I'm proud of my skill and love the martial arts they are impractical in most situations except a controlled situation such as in competition.

I worked Harlem and then the Bronx in most of my uniform NYPD work and when there was physical problems, traditional boxing saved my butt, not the martial arts I know.

This woman bragging about being a martial arts expert sounds full of shit. And she greatly disrespects the martial arts with her BS. The martial arts are mostly an art form and basically really just defensive arts. I was once one of the best in the martial arts world and I guarantee you, in street-type fighting a pretty good boxer, especially if bigger would easily defeat a pure martial art practitioner every time.

Don't listen to that pretend martial arts woman who lied about Ali and Akakai by trying to make it sound like it was another fight. She's a fraud and a liar.

What? Who's this posting using my name? Pretty funny to use my name and claim that I am a NYC cop. You idiots on here kill me, you can't defeat my arguments so you post something under my name to try to embarrass me? What children!!

As I suspected, this is a direct take-off on your posts on the 'That Asian Fetish Thang'. A thread on which men who like Asian women were said to be unable to get a woman in their own countries, that they were pedophilic (because Asian women don't have curves supposedly),they're losers, like 'submissive' women ,only pick them because they're 'docile' ...

Never said that. But you think you're smart, so figure it out. You have an image of Asian women that is NOT TRUE but you have built a fetish that unfortunately is problematic for actual Asian women who are humans and not MRA fantasy creatures.

In your desperation to preserve your pathetic and dehumanizing fantasy, you decided to pretend that I have a similiar fetish despite the fact that there's no indication anywhere ever that I have any particular feelings about the supposed traits of any one race.

Since logic is not involved in your whine-a-thon, it's clear that you were trying to get a rise out of your spoiled white boy friends by putting forward racist assumptions about me and my man. And because of the vile racism that you inoculate amongst yourself, particularly your hardcore beliefs that different races and nationalities have specific personalities, some of which are more "pleasing" than others, you guys were a prime audience to sit in judgement of something that normal people don't notice at all.

You have an image of Asian women that is NOT TRUE but you have built a fetish that unfortunately is problematic for actual Asian women who are humans and not MRA fantasy creatures.

Now you claim to be able to read men's minds, too, Amandaskank?

In your desperation to preserve your pathetic and dehumanizing fantasy,

Again, you claim to know what men are thinking more than those men know themselves. You're pathetic, Amandaskank.

you decided to pretend that I have a similiar fetish despite the fact that there's no indication anywhere ever that I have any particular feelings about the supposed traits of any one race.

Yada, yada, yada. You are awfully good at accusing people of all sorts of things without any facts whatsoever to support those accusations.

You claim to have a "Latino" boyfriend, but we have no proof of that either. Somehow, I think you're just a whining little skank who hates men and spends all day ranting on goofy feminist blogs.

You bitch about not having the kind of money that one needs to travel to Japan. Have you ever considered getting off your ass and actually working for a living? Posting on blogs probably doesn't pay all that well...

Since logic is not involved in your whine-a-thon, it's clear that you were trying to get a rise out of your spoiled white boy friends by putting forward racist assumptions about me and my man.

"Spoiled white boy friends"? What's that you keep saying about racism, skank?

And because of the vile racism that you inoculate amongst yourself, particularly your hardcore beliefs that different races and nationalities have specific personalities, some of which are more "pleasing" than others, you guys were a prime audience to sit in judgement of something that normal people don't notice at all.

Amandaskank the hypocrite rants again. Poor little bitch doesn't even have a boyfriend, despite her lies to the contrary. How silly. How boring.

Um, CK--both posts were by the same IP address, so no one was impersonating you. Don't get pissy cause you forgot your own lie. Chicago police, NYC police...try to stick to one.

mraguy101, we don't tolerate personal insults and language like that. if you want to call women skanks and bitches, then you should stick to commenting on your own sorry sites and forums. so kindly fuck off.

I'd just like to comment that implying that someone's dating someone else simply because of their ethnicity isn't racist. It's accusing someone else of being racist, as a matter of fact, just like it's not racist to say that Affirmative Action is unfair (I don't necessarily agree with that statement, but I don't consider it racist). Motivation is a different story, but the actual comment "you're only dating him because he's Hispanic" and any reasonable facsimiles aren't racist. The fact that it involves race doesn't make it racist.

Also, Jessica, interesting how you said nothing about Jedmunds calling mraguy101 a pussy, but you had a problem with mraguy saying "Amandaskank." It was also very telling to read how you said "if you want to call _women_ skanks..." because you really don't seem to care about calling men anything. It's also ironic how you say that the word "skank" is intolerable, and then proceed to say "f**k off" as if that's cleaner language. But wait, it's not insulting a woman, so it's fine.

Jedmunds, you asked why MRAs hide in their "own little forum" as if we don't get accused of trolling if we post our ideas/beliefs here. Clearly, if you're telling us to get lost in one breath, and then asking why we post in our own forum, there's a problem with logic here.

Amanda, racism toward WASPs is still racism. And that's in addition to your apparent hypocrisy. Furthermore, it's a rather common attack upon people who prefer Asian women that they're only doing it because of personal fantasies of docile Asian women.

The bottom line here is you whining totalitarian-headed zealots CANNOT STAND to be laughed at. Nor can you stand a fair fight, which is why Amanda banned me after one post, in which nothing was said other than the truth. A recap: Spoiled white girls are the world's most priveleged group, history's most priveleged group, and this whining and posing like you're somehow systematically victimized IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I'VE EVER SEEN.

It ... is ... plain ... NUTS.

You are psychos at best, that way you'd have an excuse. But I think you can chalk it up to bad character and poor upbringing in this case. Perhaps Daddy wasn't around, perhaps Mommy raped him in court and sent him packing. This'd be ... Daddy's fault, right? Why not. Don't blame the feminists who destroyed marriage, much too late in the day for that -- it would involve admitting you are wrong about something, and by gosh, we can't have that!

Face it. You are orindary people, with sub-par minds, and you have stumbled across the only racket in which you can rise to the top: the cult of complaint. The cult of excuses, of "WAAAH, it's someone else's fault that the nature of life is sometimes unsatisfactory". Oh my heart goes out to you, you poor poor damsels.

You can't be scientists, artists, you can't create anything, improve anything, and you all know this perfectly well. You would be pitied if the murder of unborn children was not part of your list of selfish demands.

Amanda, the race of your alleged boyfriend, be he imaginary or not (though I doubt you could hold down a fictional relationship, let alone a real one) is not the issue. It's you getting a taste of your own medicine. How do you like it? You want to throw mud, but don't want it thrown back? It's spot on the money too, which is why it hurts. You priveleged white women cling to all things non-white in the desperate wish to abate your guilt at your privelege, and to sustain the illusion (delusion) that you're part of that 'underpriveleged' group, so that you can get further 'compensation'.

Ever wondered what happens when the till runs dry? Doubt it. You don't ponder economics much, I'm guessing. Here's a crash course: The till's running dry. Very soon. No more free money. Your daughters will have your generation to thank, just as you have your mother's generation to thank for deluding you into this madness.

'A thread on which' doesn't mean you wrote them all. I will then be more specific...the post where you said 'I HAVE a boyfriend and he's biracial so you can see I'm not racist'(this is the gist...I am not ploughing through your archives to find it). You're smart figure it out.Deny that that was the thread content and you'll be lying.

'You have an image of Asian women that is NOT TRUE but you have built a fetish'

I have?

'decided to pretend that I have a similiar fetish'

No.The site used your own comments as a base(like the one above about me having a fatasy fetish) and it was turned against you. And still you can't see it.The way you so blithely decide that white men married to Asians are not marrying for love...put the shoe on the other foot(that was the purpose of that remark, you know) and still you cannot empathize with those you have insulted.

'we don't tolerate personal insults and language like that--so kindly fuck off.'

Another belly laugh, thanks.

Okay ladies...since the Asian Thang thread , since I said I married an Asian I've been bludgeoned every time I show my face.

I've been called Bubba

Not Worthy to Be Called Bubba

An Asian fetishist

Racist and a hater of white women

but I am none of these because

I...am...not...a...man (cue scary music)

And you couldn't tell by my sign-in name , or by the way I write, so blinded were you by the fact I am married to an Asian. I saw your foot go in, and decided to wait to see how far it would go. Now that it is almost out your other end, I'll put a stop to it.

I am not a man...

I was amazed that you decided I was a man based on my choice of marriage partner. That's sexist!

White women also marry Japanese. To assume I 'm a white male because I married a Japanese is so bigoted!

I'm sure you've fainted away by now, so I'll sign off. But, you must realize how sexist and bigoted you all are...so much so it ain't funny.

Correction: You are in a biracial relationship, not that your boyfriend is biracial. Thought I'd fix it as you unforgiving ladies leap on mistakes like raptors.

Gg on that last post CK.

For the record: google Ichori Akakai.

*smooches*

Google results for "ichori akaki": ZERO.

Google results for "ichori akaki muhammed ali": ZERO.

Google restults for "antonio inoki": 18,100

Google results for "antonio inoki muhammed ali": 661

Nice research there.

Further note to CK, "Critikal Mass," and their fellow-travellers: How's that Dave Sim fan club going ?

Ichori with Muhammed Ali turns up nothing on any of the databases I've found. I even tried "Ichiro", which is a pretty common Japanese name, in case some letters got transposed during typing. Nothing. And no records for any such fight in 1981 that I could find. His only fight on record in 1981 was a loss to Trevor Berbick, after which Ali retired permanently. I checked 1980 -- again, just to be sure. The only fight in 1980 was against Leon Holmes, who KOed Ali in the 11th round. The only Asian that Ali's official records have him fighting is Antonio Inoki.

Really, if you're going to get into an argument on actual facts, it's probably best not to do it when there are professional researchers in the house.

Sean M & might:

Thanks for backing me up :)

Good job Ahlana. Very nice to see.

I can't believe it, my co-worker just bought a car for $75601. Isn't that crazy!

Lol -- those guys who are soo upset are just brining more attention to you and making yah even more famous!!

rock on ladies!!!

Hey guys, do you still beat your wives?

It's not beating, Chickensh*tEagle, it's "reminding her who is in charge" and/or "teaching her a lesson."

Ck--how can you be a "real" anything when you use quantifying words like "real" all over the place? "Real" men, "real" feminists. What "real" scale are you grading us on? You're the kind of person that perpetuates a boys club type hysteria about woman's rights. Heck, you're probably not even a woman. Not that that can't keep you from being a feminist, only you're on self hatred of women can do that.

Ck--how can you be a "real" anything when you use quantifying words like "real" all over the place? "Real" men, "real" feminists. What "real" scale are you grading us on? You're the kind of person that perpetuates a boys club type hysteria about woman's rights. Heck, you're probably not even a woman. Not that that can't keep you from being a feminist, only you're own self hatred of women can do that.