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  1. Posted December 14, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Don’t know how honest you all are, so I don’t know if you’ll want this suppressed or not…. but it’s something everyone’s missing. New survey on sexual violence released called the NISVS. This seems to me like an improvement on the methodology of the NVAWS from about ten years ago (itself an improvement on “crime” surveys). The idea is to try very hard to overcome the reluctance of victims to report sexual violence.

    One major difference with the NVAWS is that for the first time that I know of they are bothering to ask men if they were raped. Previous surveys never did this. They defined rape as something that happens only to women (in fact this survey does that too). Men could only be raped if they were penetrated, basically homosexual rape, or possibly rape by a woman using an instrument. Men who were simply forced to have sex against their will were never counted as rape victims. That is still the case with the new survey but they added a category of victimization which they call, “made to penetrate” which is defined as when someone is forced to penetrate someone else (ie forced to have sex).

    The survey suggests that women rape men about as often as men rape women. Specifically the rate of rape of women (12 months prior) is 1.1% and the rate of “forced to penetrate” of men is also 1.1%. The definitions are not quite the same, allowing drunk women who consent to count as rape victims, but not drunk men who consent. (I don’t know if you believe drunk means no consent or not but it ought to be the same regardless of sex). Again not all the people who forced men to have sex were women — although 79.2% of them were (and 98.1% of women raped by men). Fudging a little it looks like the survey is saying that female on male rape is about as common as male on female rape.

    Of course it has long been known that men are the majority victims of violent crime. That’s always been true and obviously so. Feminists have always claimed that rape was an exception (and also domestic violence). For the first time we have a major survey that actually tests that assumption. For the first time someone bothered to ask men if they were raped.

    • Posted December 15, 2011 at 10:05 am | Permalink

      You mean this survey?

      I’m not sure why you need to question anyone’s honesty about it all. I’m sure someone’s going to write about this–it’s a pretty significant report, after all.

      I think it’s great that the CDC is improving on the methodology and expanding their definition of rape and sexual assault. However, anyone who reads the survey will (hopefully) be able to distinguish that the way rape is defined in the survey versus “made to penetrate” will not come to the conclusion that men are raped by women as often as women are raped by men. No fudging necessary.

      Still. Pretty big stuff.

      • Posted December 15, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

        Yes that survey.
        I linked to it in a second comment that was held in moderation. Feminist sites are heavy on sexist censorship which is what I alluded to above.

        I don’t understand this comment you made:

        “anyone who reads the survey will (hopefully) be able to distinguish that the way rape is defined in the survey versus “made to penetrate” will not come to the conclusion that men are raped by women as often as women are raped by men”

        Did you add a “not” in when you didn’t want to? That seems backwards. People who *DO* read the details will see that male victims are eliminated through a bogus and sexist definition of rape, and that the data records more men raped than women.

        Of course nobody does read it; only the summary.

        Is that what you intended to say?

        • Posted December 15, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

          No, I meant what I meant. They have specific definitions–and males aren’t really as excluded as you’re alluding to.

          From the report:
          Rape is defined as any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes times when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent. Rape is separated into three types, completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, and completed alcohol or drug facilitated penetration.
          - -Among women, rape includes vaginal, oral, or anal penetration by a male using his penis. It also includes vaginal or anal penetration by a male or female using their fingers or an object.
          - -Among men, rape includes oral or anal penetration by a male using his penis. It also includes anal penetration by a male or female using their fingers or an object.

          Being made to penetrate someone else includes times when the victim was made to, or there was an attempt to make them, sexually penetrate someone without the victim’s consent because the victim was physically forced (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threatened with physical harm, or when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.
          - -Among women, this behavior reflects a female being made to orally penetrate another female’s vagina or anus.
          - -Among men, being made to penetrate someone else could have occurred in multiple ways: being made to vaginally penetrate a female using one’s own penis; orally penetrating a female’s vagina or anus; anally penetrating a male or female; or being made to receive oral sex from a male or female. It also includes female perpetrators attempting to force male victims to penetrate them, though it did not happen.

          Men are included in the ‘rape’ definition quite equally. And while I think the division between ‘rape’ and ‘being made to penetrate’ is a bit fuzzy, they’re still being examined differently.

          Also, you pointed out that men are being raped by women at the same rate as women, but the specific statistic you draw from is ‘being made to penetrate’–which, as you pointed out, is not comprised of all women. So no, women are not raping men at the same rate as men are raping women.

          But I agree with you that it’s good to see that men are included in this report too. Sad to see that information on trans folks aren’t, though.

          You may want to read through the <a href="http://feministing.com/about&quot;comments policy if you’re concerned about commenting on this forum.

          • Posted December 15, 2011 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

            The problem with polling transgendered is that of getting a random sample. If you just go through the phone book you won’t get many. They interviewed about 18,000 people for this thing. Despite those numbers only a handful reported being raped within the last 12 months. For the transgendered in the survey the results would be too small to be reliable.

            You seem to have agreed you were wrong in the other thread so I’ll drop it here.

  2. Posted December 15, 2011 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    I also think you missed this. Occupy Melbourne has had some great responses since this incident, including some actions by the feminist working group.

    http://occupymelbourne.org/2011/12/06/woman-stripped-in-public-by-police-tent-monsters/

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