Breast Implants, Heteronormativity and Why Miss California is a Feminist Nightmare.


It is not just that Miss California spoke her mind about gay marriage that makes this uniquely a feminist issue, but it does make her an asshole. For all the arguments defending her right to speak on this topic, to me, it is so sad that people so quickly fight to defend the rights of bigots to speak. So, I obviously fall too left of that argument to even participate in it. Or rather, I just agree with Jill,

It’s not “religious persecution” to say that someone is a bigot for having bigoted views. It’s not “religious persecution” to argue that those who want to deny basic civil rights based on sexual orientation are bigots. It would be persecution to, for example, pass a law stating that a consenting Christian adult wasn’t allowed to marry another consenting Christian adult because of his or her faith, or to criminalize consensual sex between adult Christians. That’s persecution. Not, “I didn’t win a beauty pageant and then Perez Hilton called me a bitch.”

As Jay Smooth pointed out in his video, the issue of pageantry and their role in our society raises bigger concerns. The reliance on heteronormativity and beauty standards in pageants is indeed a point of inquiry.
As a feminist, I hate when women’s breasts make the news, since it is rarely to uncover the sexism embedded within a system. The fact that Carrie Prejean got breast implants is not newsworthy to me. The fact that the California Pageant Association paid for them, well that is. Not because it is scandalous, but because it shows that pageants aren’t about highlighting women as they are or for their talents, but for their physical appearance and to make spectacle of a specific type of femininity.
Pageants only make sense because of binary gender roles that cater to mainstream understandings of femininity. They are a fetishized spectacle of femininity to the point where it is even OK if they are artificially constructed as long as they are pushing a normative ideal of what a “real woman” is. As feminists we know already that ideal is socially constructed. Her blatant homophobia just adds to the already established straight, cis-woman and white standard of beauty necessary for pageants to exist and to perpetuate the illusion of binary genders.

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96 Comments

  1. BROWN TRASH PUNK!
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Geez, I wonder if JESUS would be so proud of Miss California for getting fake boobs? Isn’t there something in the Bible about how you’re supposed to love your body as how God made you? How totally un-Christian…

  2. MiriamCT
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    I was under the impression that the Miss America Pageant was losing viewers in a big way…don’t they not even show it on network TV anymore? I didn’t even know it was going on until the flap about Miss California and her bigoted remarks about gay marriage. If we all just stop caring enough, will beauty pageants just go away?
    Please?

  3. dondoca
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    A bigot with silicone. Nice…if that is not unpatriotic, I don’t know what is. And she calls herself a Christian. I believe one of the 10 Commandments is “Thou Shall Not Judge”…hmmm.

  4. cutekotori
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Thats a very good point, if beauty pageants are supposed to measure a female’s beauty in the inside and out, how is breast-enhancement fair at all?
    And i think its a shame that breast augmentations are even common at all. Its disgusting to make girls think that their chest makes a difference at all in their value as a person.
    Meh, the one good thing about having a small chest as that men wont stare at them while im trying to give a presentation >:( .

  5. Ire
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think that is a Commandment…

  6. Omniel
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Right and to further add to your point people argue that you can’t get tattoos because your body is a temple to god and you shouldn’t alter it. Excuse me but getting plastic surgery of any kind should be in the same ball park as tattoos if you’re using that logic but, its not.

  7. Lilith Luffles
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Yuck. Breast implants really irritate me. Not only is it the classic trope of ‘women need to alter their appearance to be good looking,’ it also feeds into the idea that breasts were never meant to be physically pleasurable for the woman, but visually pleasurable to all those who want to look at them…mostly straight men.
    I was so pissed when my mom said she’d understand if I got implants. I was like…get my chest scarred up and possibly lose feeling and go through multiple surgeries just so they stay intact the rest of my life? All so guys aren’t offended that my breasts aren’t bigger for them to enjoy? I don’t think so.’
    Breast enlargement for women who have otherwise two healthy breasts just makes no sense to me. And trust me, as a 32-B cup wielder (used to be 32-A til I got the pil a year ago), I know the pressure to want bigger ones.

  8. Lynne C.
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    I agree with everything this article says. And I know I will probaby shake a few people up by asking this but I have to, as it is something I have been observing for a while lately. If gays and feminists are supposed to be supporting each other, then why would Perez Hilton, or anyone of his type of influence be a judge on a such a classically sexist show? And why have gays sat in as judges on such shows as: “America’s Next Top Model”, etc. Why are they always on “Makeover” shows?
    I would like to explore who is really behind this “Tall, White, Barbie Doll Look” perception of what a female should look like. Was it a result of the conflict bewteen girls themselves in a patriarchal system? Was it a consequence of avertisements, the modeling industry (which a lot of gays frequent and acquire artistic and judgmental roles), the fashion industry and its runways (as most fashions that are designed fit better on a tall, thin body), or was it a high demand among guys for these types of looks; because I see many straight men with all types of women of varius sizes and shapes. The ones who are so shallow are rare, and clearly and obviously have issues themselves.
    Was it Max Factor who invented makeup for the movie stars? Was it men who invented most hair products? Was it a man who invented the high heel? Were any of these men gay? What would draw a straight man into the fashion world anyway?
    I’m thinking of a psychological phenomenon where if you can’t BE something, you can play with it, or control it.
    Please do not think that I am trying to deliberately offend. These are in fact sincere, and legit questions, and I actually hope to be enlightened or proven wrong in my observations.

  9. Lilith Luffles
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    The same goes for body piercings! The thing is, tattoos and body piercings are seen as ‘rebel’ crazy alterations, where breast enhancement surgery is just getting your jugs a little bigger.
    I’m sorry, but I’ll take personal self-expression over nerve-killing surgery that makes me temporarily feel better cause now my breasts are more well-like by onlookers any day.

  10. Criss
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    True, “Do not judge” is not one of the Ten Commandments, but “Judge not lest you be judged” is in the Bible (probably said by Jesus, but I’m not sure so I won’t say it; either way though its not a Commandment it is clearly a command).
    And Jesus did say, “This is my command: that you love one another, as I have loved you.” He did not say, “love one another, but judge and condemn and discriminate against those who are different than you, and/or who do not do things the way you do them in your family how you were raised.”
    Why does that part of the Bible keep getting overlooked? Hmmm…

  11. argolis
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    I also believe one of the 10 Commandments is “Thou Shall Not Point Out Others’ Ignorance of the 10 Commandments”

  12. baddesignhurts
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    this woman is such a dumb, opportunistic, whiny, bigoted bitch. and, in my opinion, is behaving is a most un-Christlike manner.
    there. if we ignore her now, MAYBE SHE’LL GO AWAY!!!!

  13. argolis
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    I also believe one of the 10 Commandments is “Thou Shall Not Point Out Others’ Ignorance of the 10 Commandments.”

  14. Lilith Luffles
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    I think that gay men simply identify with women more since they are told that liking men makes them feminine. Plus, women are more accepting of gay men than straight men are, so they make better friends and develop similar interests.
    Obviously there are some looks that only the fashion world would like. (waif-thin with no breasts or hips?) But there are other types that guys like, and want, even if it’s just a fantasy. A lot of men realize that they aren’t going to find an Angelina Jolie replica, but a lot still hold women to the porn-star or conventional beauty standard for dating.
    Straight men don’t control the fashion world look, but they do control the porn and movie star look. And that’s where breast implants come from: the porn and movie star world.
    I hope I answered my view on at least a couple questions ^_^

  15. baddesignhurts
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    this woman is such a dumb, opportunistic, whiny, bigoted bitch. and, in my opinion, is behaving is a most un-Christlike manner.
    there. if we ignore her now, MAYBE SHE’LL GO AWAY!!!!

  16. MLF
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    I find this really ironic. Society freaks out everytime an athlete turns to performance enhancing products (growth hormones) but yet – still as with the beauty of women, it’s totally acceptable to cheat… I guess the whole breast implant thing isn’t anymore rediculous than make-up/hairdye (in terms of embracing what “god” gave us).

  17. CTD
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    it is so sad that people so quickly fight to defend the rights of bigots to speak
    Why is that sad? Who should we defend then? Just people we agree with who say uncontroversial things?
    Speech that doesn’t rub a lot of people the wrong way almost never needs defending. It’s precisely speech that is vile, offensive, nasty, bigoted or controversial (to someone) that requires protection.

  18. sadie101
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Perez Hilton calls Miss California the B and C words for having the same stand on gay marriage as Barack Obama; “feminists” silent.
    link:
    http://www.femisex.com/content/perez-hilton-calls-miss-california-b-and-c-words-having-same-stand-gay-marriage-barack-obama
    That is THE news on this issue. Barack Obama has the SAME thing to say about gay marriage as this woman and no comment on the B and C word used to bring down this and all women. Instead you opt to call her an asshole, nice.
    Clearly Samhita, you are angry at white women and want to take it out on them b/c this country (and yes many others, for bettter or worse) has “a white standard of beauty.” Clearly you are angry at Miss California for far more than her gay marriage stand, and it shows! Double standard is screeching out loud her! Barack matched Carrie word for word on this issue and you don’t call him an asshole. So beware of the sexism and anti-feminist stand in you this reveals.

  19. Wonderwall
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    I think breast implants should go the way of steroids. If Miss USA is an actual competition, than breast implants are an unnatural enhancement and should be banned from competition.
    …but wait, that would mean questioning the ideal of female beauty, re-prioritizing, and recognizing the falseness of the competition…
    Really, how did breast implants become so normal and so accepted? Are other countries watching us on TV shows called “Crazy Cultures: Body Modifications” like we watch those who wear neck rings?

  20. BROWN TRASH PUNK!
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Wow, chill out on the hostile tone. I was being sarcastic and I don’t give a fuck about the Bible (I’m not even a Christian). I’m mocking her for being being a “good Christian girl,” while getting fake boobs. It’s just so funny and hypocritical to me.

  21. Shade
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    I strongly agree with your comment.
    I disagree entirely with what Miss California had to say – but she had every right to say it, and at least she was honest in her answer to the question.
    It’s not freedom of speech ‘if you’re nice and agree with what X group of people think’, it’s freedom of speech period.

  22. sadie101
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Perez Hilton calls Miss California the B and C words for having the same stand on gay marriage as Barack Obama; “feminists” silent.
    link:
    http://www.femisex.com/content/perez-hilton-calls-miss-california-b-and-c-words-having-same-stand-gay-marriage-barack-obama
    That is THE news on this issue. Barack Obama has the SAME thing to say about gay marriage as this woman and no comment on the B and C word used to bring down this and all women. Instead you opt to call her an asshole, nice.
    Clearly Samhita, you are angry at white women and want to take it out on them b/c this country (and yes many others, for bettter or worse) has “a white standard of beauty.” Clearly you are angry at Miss California for far more than her gay marriage stand, and it shows! Double standard is screeching out loud her! Barack matched Carrie word for word on this issue and you don’t call him an asshole. So beware of the sexism and anti-feminist stand in you this reveals.

  23. Wonderwall
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    I think breast implants should go the way of steroids. If Miss USA is an actual competition, than breast implants are an unnatural enhancement and should be banned from competition.
    …but wait, that would mean questioning the ideal of female beauty, re-prioritizing, and recognizing the falseness of the competition…
    Really, how did breast implants become so normal and so accepted? Are other countries watching us on TV shows called “Crazy Cultures: Body Modifications” like we watch those who wear neck rings?

  24. John H.
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Exactly! Is it so sad to see people upholding one of our most fundamental liberties? What if someone took away your own right to contribute to this blog, just because they disagree with you? Would that be defensible?

  25. rumble
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    @CTD
    I agree with your statement completely.

  26. Femgineer
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Not that any of this really matters, but Miss America and Miss USA are two separate competitions. I believe this miss California is from the Miss USA pageant. The winner of miss USA goes on to compete in the Miss Universe pageant.
    Miss America is a different beast all together that includes a talent portion. The Miss America actually occured earlier this year. According to wikipedia, the Miss America Pageant is the largest provider of college scholarships for women in the United States. Miss America is now shown on TLC.
    Now that we all know this valuable information to distinguish between these two competitions (*gag*), I think both competitions are equally sexist and damaging to women.

  27. MzBitca
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,
    That’s a really loaded ? and i think you know it but I’ll do my best.
    1. It is not surprising at all that Perez Hilton is involved in holding up stereotypes of female beauty. He is not a nice person in many ways and his response to her showed very sexist language. Just because someone is part of an oppressed group doesn’t mean they don’t buy into stereotypes and oppressed views of other groups. See any of WOC blog to realize that.
    2. Straight women hold up unrealistic fashion ideals as well as gay men, straight men, queer women, transgender men and women and any type of gender identification in the middle. Believe me, straight men have no problem being involved in fashion if it means they can convince women they are just not good enough and make oodles of money off of it.

  28. Wonderwall
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    I think breast implants should go the way of steroids. If Miss USA is an actual competition, than breast implants are an unnatural enhancement and should be banned from competition.
    …but wait, that would mean questioning the ideal of female beauty, re-prioritizing, and recognizing the falseness of the competition…
    Really, how did breast implants become so normal and so accepted? Are other countries watching us on TV shows called “Crazy Cultures: Body Modifications” like we watch those who wear neck rings?

  29. MzBitca
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,
    That’s a really loaded ? and i think you know it but I’ll do my best.
    1. It is not surprising at all that Perez Hilton is involved in holding up stereotypes of female beauty. He is not a nice person in many ways and his response to her showed very sexist language. Just because someone is part of an oppressed group doesn’t mean they don’t buy into stereotypes and oppressed views of other groups. See any of WOC blog to realize that.
    2. Straight women hold up unrealistic fashion ideals as well as gay men, straight men, queer women, transgender men and women and any type of gender identification in the middle. Believe me, straight men have no problem being involved in fashion if it means they can convince women they are just not good enough and make oodles of money off of it.

  30. Omniel
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I wasnt trying to be hostile I was just further adding extra points to make your argument more valid. If there was hostility it was towards the people that think breast implants are ok, while tattoos not towards you.

  31. Omniel
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, I wasnt trying to be hostile I was just further adding extra points to make your argument more valid. If there was hostility it was towards the people that think breast implants are ok, while tattoos not towards you.

  32. Denis
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Unfortunately, the assumption is that gay males and feminists support each other, but I’m not sure I would agree with that assertion fully in terms of gay males perception and treatment of women. The number of sexist comments and expectations I’ve met in the larger gay community, as it presents itself, have been very disheartening.
    As Lilith Luffles stated, there is the idea that gay men ‘identify’ with women and are more feminine (yawn), so society keeps this thought present. Problems start occurring with terms like ‘fag hag’ and such, which as a concept seems more injurious than helpful.
    Otherwise, Perez Hilton is about as intelligent and worthy of notice as this beauty queen contestant–which isn’t saying much. His cries for attention seem like they would naturally lead him to these types of contests. Any man who would use the words disparaging her is not engaged in any actual thought, just trumpeting the issues that organizations like HRC tell him and using bigoted terms in order to do so.

  33. Kim C.
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Especially since no tattoo has ever ruptured.

  34. rumble
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    ughghyghghg, feministing. fix your comment section.

  35. homebird
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    WTF sadie – that comment towards Samhita is totally uncalled for. You are right to point out that the same language is being used by others but I don’t see how Samhita’s comments prove that she is angry at white women. She says right at the beginning of the post she doesn’t feel qualified to get into the discussion due to her “leftness”.
    What she wanted to call attention to was the issue of the Pageant paying for breast implants which is absolutely abhorrent to me. “Please represent us but first mutilate your body, because you aren’t quite beautiful enough.” Let’s focus on the important issue that Samhita has brought up the disgusting existence of these beauty pageants.

  36. nikki#2
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    I completely agree. Breast implants and cosmetic surgery in general bothers me on so many levels. All that talk about how it’s ‘empowering’ or it ‘makes you feel better about yourself’ is bull. No one should ever have to carve up their body to fit the porn standard to feel beautiful. To me nothing is more beautiful than a healthy fit body.
    As for the issue with your mother, I kind of have the opposite situation. My mother and I have the same proportions relative to our heights. She got a boob job because she said she wanted to be more attractive. When ever the topic of breast implants comes up her general line is something like, “It was right for me but not for you”. Now to be clear, I would be seriously pissed if she told me I needed to get surgery. But if she thought she was unattractive, why would she think any different about her little carbon copy? The logic just doesn’t fly. Very annoying.
    As a random tangent I also suspect she is trying to fatten me up. To be fair my BMI is on the border of being underweight. I don’t mind her cookie and ice cream trickery, I just want her to be honest about it.
    Why don’t people admit what they’re really thinking?

  37. llevinso
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Sadie, all you ever do on this website is write about your hatred of Obama and how women that voted for him over Clinton are not true feminists. Don’t you have anything else to talk about?
    And this is the second time I’ve seen you personally attack Samhita in a post.
    Why don’t you actually comment on what the post is talking about for once? Not go off on tangents about Samhita hating white women and how much you loathe Obama.

  38. faithless
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    @ Lynne C.
    As this thread painfully suggests and reminds, clearly not all gay (men) are feminists and not all feminists are supportive of queer-rights. This is awful, but nothing new in patterns of activism. Perez Hilton, though I am not familiar with his work, seems like someone who does not have a problem reinforcing gender stereotypes; but to suggest that he would somehow escape that since he is gay does not take into account the socialized binaries (male/female; gay/straight; masculine/feminine) we all learn no matter who we are. It takes an active process of unlearning such binaries (Queer Theory) to really grasp the root causes of both homophobia and sexism. I am pretty sure that neither Perez Hilton nor Carrie Prejean is capable of such thought given that they both find themselves in Miss USA.
    So, to answer your question about the role of gay men in sexism (fashion industry, etc.), it is an unfortunate confluence of binary systems and social role/expectations drawn from those systems which may lead a person (who subscribes to the system) to such life-paths. This does not mean I am not giving agency to those people who actively go into oppressive industries/life-paths, and for that I also hold the individuals accountable.
    I think the crux of your question is whether sexism (especially in the context of fashion) is driven by women and gays or by straight men. My answer is, would it matter? We know full well that everyone is complicit in patriarchy, no matter if you are man/woman or masculine/feminine. This is why we fight against patriarchy as a system, not straight men as individuals.
    In conclusion, I think we need to be joining forces as queers and feminists (and straight men) to destroy patriarchy and binaries, not wondering about who is really to blame for thin models.

  39. LalaReina
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Miss Cali has a right to her opinions whether we agree with them or not and anybody at odds with that troll Paris Hilton automatically gets points from me.

  40. somebody42
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    That last paragraph is completely ridiculous and completely unsupported by anything Samhita says in this post or has said in other posts.

    this country (and yes many others, for bettter or worse) has “a white standard of beauty.”

    For better or worse? You aren’t sure which? You need to educate yourself.

    Barack matched Carrie word for word on this issue…

    He most certainly did not. Ms. Prejean stated that we can “choose gay marriage or opposite marriage”, which she, as a representative of CA that recently passed Prop 8, should know is not true. the president’s comments are also grammatically correct, thank Maud :)
    …and he certainly has been criticized by feminists for his stance.

  41. sadie101
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Ok so a woman with the same position as Obama on gay marriage is called sexist female-hate names by Perez and ALL that Feministing writers post is comments slamming Miss. Ca.
    What I am saying is not that i hate Obama, and that is silly and avoiding the issue that i bring up. I just want to know why all the posts about Miss California slam her for having the same position on gay marriage as Obama? not ONE word of outrage over the B and c word. not ONE. instead Samhita calls her an asshole. Ok then, by extension she must, to avoid the doulbe standar of holding a women to one level of accountablity and a man to another, call Obama an asshole. But she won’t do that. And believe me folks, Mr. Obama carries more weight on this than Miss Ca.
    I point out that the writer, rather than discuss the 500 lb gorrilla that is the Obama stand on gays and marriage, turns her so obvious distain (asshole to be exact) on a woman who holds the standard white beauty. Rather than attacking the male who called Miss Ca a bitch and cunt for having the SAME posistion as Obama, Samhita sneers at the woman. Sorry but feminism calls for zero tolerance to sexism, not applied tolerance, if the woman is not to your liking.

  42. Creighton Hogg
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    I’m white & I agree with Samhita. Do I still hate white people?

  43. theKP
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    The point isn’t that Carrie Prejean doesn’t have a right to say what she said. The point is that we have a right to judge her for it. She has a right to say whatever she wants, but she also has to deal with the consequences of what she says. That said, and this has been said to death on feminist web sites, but I’ll say it anyway–I disagree with Perez Hilton (and commenters here) calling her a bitch. Ad hominem attacks, especially ones employing sexist language, aren’t helpful.
    The question about plastic surgery: I’m creeped out that the pageant paid for her breast implants, but I’m also squicked out by the idea that having them is “cheating.” It makes it sound like we buy into the idea that these pageants are “fair” or that there’s some kind of merit in looking a particular way naturally. I know it’s to call attention to hypocrisy, working within the logic of the pageants themselves, but still…I just reject that it’s possible for any kind of beauty competition to be “fair.” I also hate to be that person who jumps in and says, “But it’s an individual choice, and maybe it’s empowering for her”–because I don’t really believe that. But we all have to negotiate a livable space in this world, and I’m trying to work on not judging people if what they need to feel more comfortable in their own skin is to have plastic surgery. I really hate breast implants–and the social pressure on women to have them, but I’m trying to be more supportive of the compromises that people make.
    Her homophobia, on the other hand, deserves all the criticism it gets.

  44. baddesignhurts
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    hmmm. i support him calling her a bitch. i don’t use that word often, because i love dogs, but if there’s anyone who has proven her inhumanity, it’s her, and those who advocate for institutionalized discrimination.

  45. everybodyever
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    I’m really surprised and disturbed by the several mentions on this thread of how a beauty contestant having implants is somehow not “fair,” that it’s “cheating.”
    It seems awfully witch-hunty and trans-ignorant for a feminist Web site. Would a MTF contestant with hormone therapy or implants also be “cheating” by that rubric?
    Yikes. We might dislike the forces that encourage women that they need implants, but judging the bodily integrity of someone who has them is pretty dangerous.

  46. Samhita
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Please see the links to Jill’s piece that respond to this and stop trolling around here. Other commenters have already called you out. Let’s just agree to disagree. Suggesting that I hate white women says more about how you are perceiving what I am writing than what I am actually writing.

  47. sadie101
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    KP said:
    this has been said to death on feminist web sites, but I’ll say it anyway–I disagree with Perez Hilton (and commenters here) calling her a bitch.
    Sadie replis:
    OK so where exactly did Samhita or Jessica say that they were appalled and outraged at calling Miss CA a bi%ch and a cu%t?
    Find that and I shall be happy. (and I don’t mean in some obscure comment section, but a post on the issue. Feministing was up in arms over the chimp cartoon, but not this.
    and yes BHO DID say that marriage shoudl be btw a man and a woman. can you imagine if someone called him a Ni%%er for that? The lesson is simple, if you disagree, say so, but if sexist or racist names are used to demean the sex or race of person saying something it is not only no helpful it is RACIST or Sexist and that must be the first thing addressed.
    This writers on this site have not yet posted any story of outrage about this. If CNN said that a women who was anti-choice was the B word, the first item to denouce is the calling the woman the B word! Sexist tolerance by so-called feminists is what allowed for the debacle that happened to women to thrive.
    Obama and his ilk count on women to NOT speak up for themselves when called derogatory names. shameful. really troubling

  48. Samhita
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I am going to have to agree with that sentiment, in the sense that the idea of “cheating” is not really apt. More that the enhancement of these feminine ideals as “natural” is problematic. If anything the surgery shows us it is a performance.
    Also, I don’t think that an MTF would be allowed to compete in Miss America, which I think even further highlights the hypocrisy in pageantry. It is clear that femininity is a performance but only some are rewarded for its “rightful” performance, while others are just that, othered.

  49. Samhita
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Ah, sorry for the comments problems, we were having some site probs today. Should be back to normal now.

  50. sadie101
    Posted April 30, 2009 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

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