Quick Hit: Angie Zapata’s Family and Friends Finally Getting Justice

Ann wrote about Angie Zapata, who was brutally murdered in Greeley, Colorado last July, as part of the Transgender Day of Remembrance, so I wanted to make sure the community knew that her alleged murderer, 32-year-old, Allen Andrade is finally facing trial (started Tuesday). Adrade is facing charges including first-degree murder and a bias-motivated crime, which could add three years to his prison sentence if convicted. Read more here.

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  • llevinso

    I just read about this on CNN.com like 5 minutes ago and was going to post it here. The story brought me to tears it’s so horrible.
    I’m so glad it’s being prosecuted as a hate crime. I didn’t realize that crimes against transgender people were not prosecuted that way before. I hope he is put away for life.

  • Ariel

    I hope justice will be served for Angie. It’s ludicrous that these murders have not been prosecuted as hate-crimes up until now.

  • MzBitca

    You can follow the trial at Twitter
    They have picked the jury, 10 men, 4 women (including alternates) and all appear caucasian
    They also have a facebook group in support of her where people are changing their pictures to candles in support of her.
    Although Angie has become a bit of the poster child for transphobic violence there are many more out there and I would encourage readers to go to transgroit or questioning transphobia to learn more. Especially considering feministing is being boycotted due to the belief that they are not handling trans issues the best way they could and that the comments are not a safe place for trans-identified people.

  • Ariel

    I will definitely do that. I was deeply saddened by the reaction of the Feministing commenters with techniques of silencing and nigh-bigotry. Being a cis, I haven’t done enough to educate myself on transsexualism, but after that display I will definitely make amends.

  • Entomology Girl

    “Especially considering feministing is being boycotted due to the belief that they are not handling trans issues the best way they could and that the comments are not a safe place for trans-identified people.”
    They’re not and it’s not. I know of a few people who have been scared away from here permanently. And I sure as hell don’t blame them.

  • Kate

    The end of the article: “[Transgendered Americans] deserve the right to live just like the rest of us, free from discrimination and violence.”
    I can’t say it any more clearly or succinctly than that, and it boggles my mind that this is even in question.

  • sly

    What are the details of this incident? I’ve read that he didn’t know that Angie was trans-gen until the morning after they had gone home together, and that he didn’t suspect anything until he saw some earlier pictures of her the next morning. Is that the case, or did he just regret what he had done the next morning? The articles seem vague on that issue.
    I’ve heard of both cases…In the case of the former where he didn’t know it b4hand, it seems like a horrible violation, not unlike rape…In the case of the latter, I think the guy should fry…
    I know this view upsets some ppl, and I don’t dispute that some, probably most, use this pretext as an excuse for the most awful violence against an already marginalized & maligned group, but I extend the same to women (or their friends) who avenge their rapists. If this offends you I apologize in advance.

  • llevinso

    So, according to you, it’s justified to beat someone to death using a fire extinguisher just because you find out you kissed someone that shared the same genitals as you? WTF?!?!
    And yes, you’re statement is completely offensive, but lately all of your statements have been horribly offensive. But since you “apologize in advance” I guess I can’t get upset.

  • Wynna

    I burst into tears as soon as I saw the name and I feel like such a bad person for not knowing that this happened.
    She was a customer of mine and was very patient and friendly and I’ve always wondered why I hadn’t seen her in so long.
    I can’t believe that this actually happened, and I just can’t stop crying.
    I don’t understand, there’s just no excuse for this.

  • Entomology Girl

    The transphobia, it is strong with this one.
    Not outing yourself to people you don’t know very well is on par with rape? Seriously?

  • conductress

    I hope that Angie gets the justice she deserves. I’m glad this is being prosecuted as a hate crime. I didn’t realize that only 11 states included sexual orientation in hate crime laws- that’s just awful. Especially in light of the increasingly young children who take their own lives due to bullying about orientation and gender identity. I just don’t understand- even if you are morally opposed to homosexuality or transsexuality, even if ‘those people’ freak you out, or whatever hateful ideology you have, how on earth can you justify such cruelty to other human beings? How can you justify taking a human life?
    *hugs* to Wynna.

  • SarahMC

    For your information, Angie’s killer discovered she was a trans woman when he grabbed her genitals without her consent. They were on a date.
    ABC News

  • mindprovender

    I just hope that this person gets convicted if he’s guilty. This is only the beginning.

  • Zyfron

    Hi again. For the record, for those of you who don’t remember me, I’m a trans-woman, so this is very personal to me. Before I say anything else, let me just say that this incident is a complete tragedy, and I’m glad the man is being prosecuted (they often aren’t). This is the sort of incident that makes me afraid to pass in public.
    But let me also say, this comment is really disturbing. How is it a “violation” for me not to tell you what my genitals look like? And how on earth is it on par with rape? And, according to the article, the girl even refused to allow the man to touch her sexually or show her genitals. Would it be a violation of trust for YOU to refuse to show someone yours? And assuming she had no intention of him interacting with her genitals in any way (which is what she kept telling him, according to the article!), please, PLEASE explain how it is a violation not to explain them in detail?
    Seriously, the idea that transwomen should be required to flash their junk around everywhere just so people will know what it looks like is one of the more transphobic ideas out there. MY body is MY business.
    Also for the record, in regards to the recent drama/boycotting:
    Well, obviously I’m still here. i don’t think these issues have been (or are being) handled very well. I do NOT consider this to be a “safe space” at all (and I pity any transmen here, for whom things have been even worse). BUT I do believe in the idea of activism, and if I only post in “safe spaces,” well, how will that make any progress? I’m doubtful that most of the commenters here will be overly concerned by a trans-boycott, so I would rather give this cause my voice than my silence. Thought you all should know.

  • Jeanette

    There is no excuse for Angie’s murder. None. Nada. Nothing.
    To suggest that it might have been justified, even in the smallest way, is so unbelievably offensive, I don’t have words to describe it.

  • Jeanette

    I don’t really have much to offer, except to say that my prayers are with Angie Zapata and her family, as well as the family of Imaje Devera, yet another trans woman who was murdered on Tuesday. I hope Ms. Devera’s killer is brought to justice, very soon, too.

  • conductress

    God… I didn’t know that. It’s sexual assault and misogyny, transphobia, and practically child molestation (sorry, but the gap between 18 and 32 is a pretty big one, in my opinion). I’m so saddened that all of this was done to Angie.

  • baddesignhurts

    thank you for your continued comments. i don’t usually comment on threads dealing with transgender issues, because i am in the process of educating myself about these issues and i feel the best thing i could do is listen rather than speak. i appreciate the viewpoint your bring, and your comments have always broadened my horizons. i respect those that are boycotting, and i appreciate those, like yourself, who continue to contribute here.

  • Zailyn

    I’m doubtful that most of the commenters here will be overly concerned by a trans-boycott, so I would rather give this cause my voice than my silence.
    I just wanted to say that I am concerned by the suggested boycott. I’ve realised for a while that Feministing isn’t a safe space for many other minority issues, but recent events have really brought home how much. I don’t blame any of the trans people who feel they can’t read or comment here anymore and find it appalling that it’s this bad.
    Which is to say, thank you very much for commenting. I’m generally quiet on trans issues because I’m still trying to educate myself and am worried about accidentally saying transphobic things, but I wanted to say that some people here do appreciate hearing trans voices speak out and find it sad we’ll probably end up with less here because they don’t feel safe (for good reason.)
    Also, the idea that you have some kind of obligation to show people your genitals and explain your history is absurd and generally appalling.

  • http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain

    I don’t feel “unsafe” commenting here.
    OK, many of the comments are ignorant, and a few are hostile. It’s demoralising seeing people uncritically swallow the lies of “Focus on the Family”. It’s disheartening having to bring up yet again that the “Bathroom Bills” have nothing to do with Bathrooms. It’s especially galling when the MA commenters live in Cambridge or Boston, so are already covered by such laws and don’t even know it, because there is no problem.
    But I don’t feel “unsafe”. “Unsafe” means living in fear. Fear of rape. Fear of murder. Fear of hours of torture, and if you make it to the ER, and if they decide to treat you (not a given in 37 states) having lifelong impairments. Oh, I know what “unsafe” is, and this is not it.
    “Unsafe” starts with reading this comment in the Denver Post:

    “Andrade needs to walk on all charges,just to remind us all that pimping out the justice system for the gay vote is a bad idea.”

    . Unsafe continues when a respected law site writes about Angie

    Of course Zapata did not deserve to die, but people who perpetrate sex crimes by deception are not particularly sympathetic characters.

    Because the word of a confessed killer is worth more than the words of friends and relatives of a “tranny”. You see, Angie was open about her status. And fortunately, we can prove to those who have labelled her a “deceiver” and “sex criminal” that they are wrong.

    Prosecuting attorneys said in the days leading up to the two meeting in person, they had exchanged nearly 700 communications.After meeting, the two went to a traffic court hearing in Greeley in which Angie was identified in court by her previous male name and by male pronouns.

    But had we not had this documentary proof, backed up by witnesses, the calumnies would have stood. Instead of being an example of how waiting to tell can be fatal, it’s an example of how telling too soon can be.
    It’s always the girl’s fault. For wearing a skirt too short. For deceiving. For walking in the wrong part of town. I mean, she was asking for it, wasn’t she?
    And the trouble is… many women, even here at feministing, buy it. I guess I feel a little unsafe after all. But not enough so as to drive me away, enough to make me even more determined to speak out, to educate, to try to win allies, and to help others. It’s what we do here, isn’t it?

  • Pantheon

    I was not aware there was any sort of boycott going on at feministing. I’m not sure how much good a boycott can do if its a situation like this where people won’t notice it unless they frequent whatever other site organized it. Maybe someone could write a community post explaining what the issue is? I’m curious to hear about it.

  • Erika

    How is this kind of comment allowed to stay on a feminist site? Sly, do you have any idea how incredibly offensive that is? You just justified hate crimes. Congratulations.
    The only person violated in a hate crime is the victim (along with the victim’s family and the group that the hate crime targets). The victim is the person who is murdered or assaulted, not the attacker. That it’s “not unlike rape” to have to exist in a world with transwomen–is that really where you want to go with this?
    And yes; what SarahMC said. You came in here to spew hatred, because what you said was irrelevant. Angie’s date only knew about her genitalia because he assaulted her. She couldn’t have “tricked” him because she did not give consent to be touched.

  • Jessica

    Miriam wrote a short post here, and I believe she’s planning on writing another one as well once she has the time to moderate comments (one of the original criticisms was that the comments were not a safe space0>

  • Jessica

    Sly was banned, FYI. We generally leave comments up – even if they’re ban worthy – when others have responded as to not erase the conversation that happened and other commenters’ responses.

  • Jessica

    Thanks for the comment, Zyfron. I’m sorry that the site isn’t a safe space for you – we know that the comments section can be hateful for a lot of people and all of the editors are talking about how we can change that (in fact, we have a phone call this afternoon about it). We should have a group post up soon re: what we plan to do to make comments safer for everyone.

  • Ariel

    I’m glad the editors are doing something about it. I think there needs to be a distinction made between dissenting opinions and outright offensiveness, especially on minority issues.

  • Erika

    Thanks, that makes sense. I guess that’s the best policy when a discussion has already started. It’s just disheartening to see such hateful things on a blog I really respect and read everyday. I didn’t mean to sound rude–I love the work you do here, and I know moderating must be incredibly difficult. I’m glad to hear that you’re working on how to make it better, though.

  • Zyfron

    I just wanted to add to this and say that, even if she HAD tricked him – well, “haha, I got you to touch a penis when you weren’t expecting it!” is not justification for beating someone to death with a fire extinguisher.

  • Jessica

    Not rude at all – I totally understand. :)

  • Rhoanna

    The article isn’t quite accurate/clear. 11 states have hate crimes statues that cover both sexual orientation and gender identity or expression. Another 20 states cover sexual orientation, but not gender identity or expression. (source, which is presumably the same source the article used)

  • Erika

    Absolutely. Angie Zapata’s murder was unconscionable. Period. No qualifications necessary. Thanks for adding that.

  • LenaD

    Breaking news, after 2 hours of deliberation, Zapata’s killer is found guilty of first-degree murder; guilty of a bias-motivated crime. guilty of motor vehicle theft. guilty of identity theft.
    Sentencing will be held in less than an hour — mandatory life sentence.