(Un)Feminist Guilty Pleasure: Commercial Rap


My gay boyfriend Merv and I, caught on the scene (well more like at my apartment) probably after getting our thizzle dance on.
Now this is really really bad. It is so bad that I can’t even believe I am admitting it. And not just because of the rampant misogyny in rap music videos (which is over the top, grotesque and unapologetic), but because I am considered a hip-hop head that should stick to the *real* shit mayne! There is just something about certain mainstream pop-like rap tracks that get under my skin and stuck in my head and before I know it I am head bopping with the best of them and sometimes even wearing my hat to the side with some electro-glasses on.
Mind you most of what I am listening to isn’t even hip-hop, there might be some rapping but it is basically R&B and it has a groove that I can’t resist. For example I love this Lil Wayne track with Lloyd, it just gets me up and singing. And it isn’t just the super mainstream stuff, I like whatever young people are listening to all over the country. I just left the Bay and although it has seen its heyday, boy can I get down with some hyphy music, like E-40 or Mac Dre.
I have written about negotiating my feminism with my love for hip-hop, so this is something I have given a lot of thought to. And frankly, sometimes I can handle it, but most of the time I am thinking, was that really necessary? And there are moments that are so over the top (like Nelly’s Tip Drill track) which is just too much for me and I am grossly offended and ready to boycott the artist.
Does this music have sexist attitudes in it? It sure can and a lot of times yes. But it is also what my friends and my community listen to and not all of it is horridly offensive. Some of it is just cute. I actually got into commercial rap by hanging out with lesbians (well that and working in public schools for 5 years). I am not going to make a case for some type of reverse signification where we are reclaiming the music. We aren’t, we are human and we like good beats with cheesy bass lines and corny lyrics and relate to the universal themes of sexual attraction, love and heart break.
I have no idea how I will continue to reconcile my love for mainstream commercial hip-hop since I am aware of its nefarious corporate packaging, mistreatment of members and a form of music that people of my generation (from the golden years of hip-hop) consider to be responsible for ruining hip-hop as we know it. However, I will make the argument that I don’t think rap/hip-hop is any more sexist than other male dominated forms of music. So maybe your guilty pleasure is cock rock and mine is faux mainstream gangsta’ rap. Either way, if you see me dancing somewhere and you are like, “omg is that Samhita from FEMINISTING” just know I recognize the potential contradiction, but also, like everyone else like to have a good time, dance with my friends and have taken myself to the task of mastering the balancing act of hip-hop love and feminist self-preservation.

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  • willow33

    ditto

  • meags

    I am totally with you on this one. I had a conversation with my friends about this on the weekend, and sometimes I feel so guilty for singing along with Get Lo. My old roommate used to get mad at me when he heard a random rap song play on my music list, but I told him that as long as we recongnize the negative images the music is promoting it’s okay…right? I’m just happy I’m not alone in this love of mine!

  • frat4437

    Samantha, Music artists like lil’ Wayne and E40 objectify women all the time in the worst way. We should not be supporting such music.
    Meags, “sometimes I feel so guilty for singing along with Get Lo”. You should feel guilty, that song is one of the worst objectifying music videos around.
    Enjoying such music even if we call it an “(Un)Feminist Guilty Pleasure” makes us seem like we have selective moral outrage. If a white guy made a song with as many half naked women shaking there ass as these rappers have (not all, but the majority of the most highly objectifying music videos are from african american men), we would be acting quite differently, I think.

  • Samhita

    frat4437-my name is Samhita, not Samantha. Please check this before you comment.
    Second, your poor me white man attitude is not going to work on this thread.
    For reference on videos other than hip-hop objectifying women, please watch any rock video that has women in it. Misogyny just looks different from culture to culture.
    For your sweeping generalization and poor me attitude, I suggest you check out some Racism 101 materials. And that is not here, so peace and please don’t come back.

  • frat4437

    “your poor me white man” Actually, I am a woman, I find that pretty offensive.
    “please watch any rock video that has women in it. Misogyny just looks different from culture to culture” If you had read my post carefully, you would have realized my point was not that white artists don’t have misogyny, its that currently, black artists’ objectifying videos are more prevalent.
    “so peace and please don’t come back.”- I have not been vulgar or personally attacked anyone, is my point of view not welcome.

  • Ann

    Do we really need to bust out the list of white-dude musicians who have made videos that objectify women? Fine. I’ll start with ZZ Topp (doesn’t get much whiter than that) and Van Halen. Oh, and this incredibly awful, more recent specimen from Lit.

  • Samhita

    Well then it is certainly saying something that that is how I perceived your tone.
    If your point of view is that we are somehow giving special treatment to the subject of hip hop because it is predominantly by black men and we would not give these same allowances to them if they were white, then I am afraid no, your point of view is not welcome. I take personal offense to it.
    If you want to clarify this statement, I am all ears.

  • frat4437

    Most of the artists you mentioned are from 20-30 years ago, and while Lit is one artist, for every one white artist you could easily name 3 or 4 black artists that objectify women. All you have to do is watch mtv to clearly see whos misogyny is more prevalent.

  • Morgan La Fey

    Wow, so now commenters with opposing viewpoints are belittled and then told to go away and never come back? Unfortunately, when you post on a public blog like this you open yourself up to criticism, as I’m sure all the other ladies who post here have noticed. If you don’t want to hear other peoples’ opinions, keep it on a private blog that only your friends can read.

  • FrumiousB

    I got frat’s point the first time, so I disagree that her tone was unclear. I also agree. Hip-hop gets singled out for misogyny way more often than whiter musical forms, including ZZ Top, Whitesnake, et al. Yeah, I know those are from 20 years ago, but that’s when I stopped listening to music and watching music videos. Note: I didn’t say hip-hop has more misogyny, I said hip-hop gets singled out for misogyny. It’s white boys who get the pass, and there’s distilled, denatured racism at the bottom.
    And what the hell is cock rock? I never heard that term before.

  • frat4437

    Yea I’ll clarify it.
    First, You seemed to get pretty angry when I suggested that there might be some selective moral outrage.
    You must have taken it personally as if I was referring to you specifically or to this website, I was referring to women and feminist in general. If we were to treat differently or hold to a higher standard whites rather than blacks, that would be horrible and hypocritical.
    Samhita, Ann, I have to leave for a couple of hours, but will be back later if you would like to continue this.

  • Samhita

    Morgan I have been blogging here for 3 years, I think I know all about opposing opinions. You have to love when people of color get mad about someone saying something racist, they are told to go private about it.
    Frat–I think you should read up about the culture of misogyny in hip hop and what produces it, why it is so popular and who is buying into the product. With that extra analysis come back to this debate. But to repeatedly insist that “for every one white artist you could easily name 3 or 4 black artists that objectify women” is, like I said before, racism 101 and that is not what this thread is for. Situate your opinions within the history of misogyny and the context of racism and perhaps you will get a better understanding.

  • aleks

    This post makes me wish I like strip clubs, so I could feel vindicated as a Feminist.

  • http://tiffanybbrown.com/ Tiffany B. Brown

    “If a white guy made a song with as many half naked women shaking their ass … we would be acting quite differently, I think.”
    bull. fucking. shit. see: ’80s hair bands, playboy, maxim, stuff, and complex magazines, britney spears, christina aguilera, justin timberlake’s “my love” and damn near anything by maroon 5 for examples of ‘objectification’ and ‘misogyny’ that earn nary a peep from anyone.
    somehow when hip-hop does it, all of a sudden it’s symptomatic of What’s Wrong With Black People.
    and i’m kind of tired of folks tagging hip-hop as misogynist. it’s so multifaceted, global, multicultural, and dependent on cultural context that it can’t be covered in one broad stroke like that. but for the sake of discussion, i’ll limit it to mainstream u.s.-based rappers that y’all have heard of.
    even then, hip hop is divided and conflicted with itself, sometimes within the body of work by the same artist. compare the 38 year old jay-z on “kingdom come” with the 27 year old jay-z on “reasonable doubt.” contrast nas now with nas between 2000 and 2005.
    but even those rappers who can (arguably) be tagged as misogynist are just really angry and nihilistic. remove “bitch” and “‘ho'” and you’ll still have a whole lot of “nigga” and “motherfucker.” it’s less ‘i hate women’ than ‘i hate everybody.’ is that really misogyny or a sign that these thugs all need hugs? &lt/jay-z>

  • http://lucikali.wordpress.com L-K

    @frat4437
    To say that is to have a very poor understanding of how the music industry functions. Artists have minimal control over what is presented. The same can be said of the whole music industry. However, the subject is in reference to commercial rap.
    You said that “for every one white artist you could easily name 3 or 4 black artists,” but all you need to do is to reverse the camera and look at who is actually running the show. It is not the “3 or 4 black artists.”
    Regardless, it is still quite a sweeping generalization to make, if all you are going by are music videos (which I have to wonder what music videos are you watching, as most are pretty sexist, particularly many of my metal favorites). Quick off the top of my head example: Get a backstage pass to a typical metal show or after concert party. The misogynistic shit will pretty much be knee-deep.
    For further analysis, please check out Byron Hurt’s documentary “Beyond Beats and Rhymes.” I think it is in its entirety online somewhere, and absolutely recommend it to everyone.

  • Ann

    You must have read a different post than I did, aleks. Because in the post I read, Samhita said, “I like to dance to hip-hop,” not “ALL feminists must love strip clubs.”

  • Trevor

    “However, I will make the argument that I don’t think rap/hip-hop is any more sexist than other male dominated forms of music.”
    I agree that the majority of mainstream music is male dominated, however I have to disagree that other forms of music are more more sexist. I rarely if ever see famale hip-hop artists anywhere, but female rock artists are pretty common on mainstream channels like mtv and the radio.
    “I think you should read up about the culture of misogyny in hip hop and what produces it, why it is so popular and who is buying into the product… Situate your opinions within the history of misogyny and the context of racism and perhaps you will get a better understanding.”
    Perhaps you should do the same, I really don’t think you know much about other forms of music, especially rock considering you used the term “cock rock.” What are you referring to?

  • aleks

    You must have read a different post than I did, aleks. Because in the post I read, Samhita said, “I like to dance to hip-hop,” not “ALL feminists must love strip clubs.”
    Posted by Ann Author Profile Page | September 24, 2008 4:38 PM
    Nope, same post. I didn’t think she’d said that strip clubs were a requisite part of feminism, but since hip hop is now cool I just wish I had more interests that were up till now considered misogynistic so I could feel better about them now.

  • Samhita

    I feel like the term cock rock has been in use for ages, referring to male dominated rock n roll brah. But I apologize, I mean male dominated rock n roll.
    I know a lot about rock music actually. I am a huge music nerd.

  • Ann

    Familiarize yourself with cock rock here, if you’re so inclined.
    And aleks, here is what Miriam wrote when introducing this (Un)Feminist Guilty Pleasures series:

    In this series we’re going to share a few of our own (un)feminist guilty pleasures. It’s those pop culture things that you love, even though deep down inside you know that they might conflict with your feminist values. Maybe it’s a show that makes your Women’s Studies 101 alarm go off, but you just can’t stop tuning in every week. Maybe it’s a celeb gossip blog, or an immature movie marketed to teen boys, or high-fashion magazines where all the models look half dead. Maybe you’re just human, and humans are complex occasionally hypocritical beings. Maybe you have created your own unique definition of what it means to be feminist that includes all of these guilty pleasures (and much more).
    We at Feministing believe there are ways to maintain a critical eye towards these (un)feminist things while still enjoying them. It can even be fun! We think you believe this too and we are psyched to see what guilty pleasures you have to add to the mix. Stay tuned for my first contribution to the series (and the inspiration for it altogether).

    So no, it’s not about commercial hip-hop or fashion blogs or Spanx or reggaeton being “cool.” It’s not a straightforward up-or-down vote. It’s us examining some of the pop culture stuff we’re drawn to. Life’s complex.

  • spike the cat

    I’m torn. I kinda stopped listening to the genre in general ’cause I was getting so pissed off.
    So is this gonna be one of those threads where if you are not an avid listener and if you don’t work in the industry, then folks tell you to piss off? I hope not.
    It’s funny because a lot of this stuff gets imported to other countries, but without cultural or historical context. It is a little bit humiliating as a black female, to see these videos when they pop up now and again on foreign TV, with black assess shaking and thugs-a-pimpin’, etc.
    And it’s always a treat to be the goto spokesperson and translator of crass hip hop lyrics.
    Ok. So when I was home this summer I saw a documentary about the role of “video vixens” in the hip hop industry. Apparently late night on cable channels there are these “uncut” videos that are very explicit; supposedly these videos give new male artists that extra edge to break out. So once again, women are just being used to bolster income potential for someone else.
    What was problematic even further was the same ol’ stories about the aspiring actress, or the single mom, workin’ in the videos while being kinda torn at what kind of image they are promulgating to black youth.
    Then snap to the male producers and musicians who proudly, unabashedly, call themselves promoting black beauty amidst a racist society that pretty much ignores black women. Um yeah, dude, you just want the paycheck. I mean, come-the-fuck-on.
    So y’all, I donno. This is just to close to home for me.

  • aleks

    Ann,
    I do understand. I just wish I had more guilty pleasures to now regard as acceptable.

  • puckalish

    Yo, seriously… Samhita’s pointing out that there’s nothing good about this particular brand of commercialized music as far as its treatment of women is concerned…
    I mean, really (Un)Feminist Guilty Pleasure says it all… it ain’t something that’s necessarily positive, but i’ll bet y’all are so perfect you don’t ever wear clothes manufactured in guatemala or write on paper cut from our dwindling old growth forests… ever…
    Come on… i mean, really, it’s not that classy, when someone opens up to something about which s/he’s conflicted, to go on the attack…
    Especially with ridiculous crypto-racist stuff like this:

    If a white guy made a song with as many half naked women shaking there ass as these rappers have, we would be acting quite differently, I think.

    I mean, really… the #2 rock song on the billboard right now is a track called “Bad Girlfriend” and the lyrics are much worse than the title, okay? Oh, and the group is a bunch of white guys. Holy shit, my head just exploded. Oh, the #4 rock song is by a group called Hinder – y’all should check out their album cover and the lyrics to “Use Me,” their hit single. Their videos are real classy, too…
    Seriously, ZZ Top, Guns ‘n Roses… yeah, this is all shit from when folks like Samhita and me were growing up, but things haven’t changed that much, okay?
    Just to refresh… Samhita doesn’t give this music a pass… she’s conflicted about it, doesn’t think it deserves to get singled out, and is also mad that the most misogynistic of r&b and rap is also really destructive to hip hop as an art form and even rap (you know, the art forms that gave us Dear Mama, Beautiful Skin and MindSex – and those three are by guys, no less)…
    So, yeah, you don’t need to have conflicts to compete to be

    I rarely if ever see famale hip-hop artists anywhere, but female rock artists are pretty common on mainstream channels like mtv and the radio.

    Really? More than Lil’ Kim, Foxy Brown, Rah Digga, Ladybug Mecca, Rihanna, Mary J Blige, Missy Elliot, da Brat, Queen Latifah, Alicia Keys… I mean, I know I’m all over the place, but I figure if I hit pop stars every decade, you’d recognize some name… maybe you just aren’t looking at hip hop…
    And, yo, aleks, do you listen to music? Is it all mad conscious or does some Rolling Stones slip in once in a while? Do you ever listen to the Beatles? Come on.

  • aleks

    She was just seventeeeeeeeen . . . you know what I meeeeaaaaaan
    Yeah, definitely the same level as Akon hop.
    I get much worse than the Beatles though, I’m a huge Ani DiFranco fan and she uses the c-word. Maybe I do need Feministing’s absolution after all.

  • Tara K.

    @ Samhita and Ann: I see your ZZ Top and Whitesnake and raise you one big, whoppin’, super-misogynist Toby Woman-Hatin’ KEITH.
    As for examples of misogyny in white music, it doesn’t get much better than him.
    (For more, see his most recent video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEV87q5Onqk)

  • aleks

    Ooops, forgot to erase the “hop” there.

  • puckalish

    Actually re: the comment that women aren’t fronting hip hop groups… I’ll reference the billboards again… 3 of the top 10 hip hop songs on the billboards are by female artists…
    #1: Jazmine Sullivan
    #3: Jennifer Hudson
    #9: Keysha Cole
    Rock:
    Not one of the top 10 songs have a woman fronting the group (I don’t think any of ‘em even have a woman in the group)…
    But, yeah, you got a great point there…

  • puckalish

    great catch, Tara K, i feel like that video even got written up here one time…

  • Tiffany B. Brown

    er uh, none of those 3 are really hip-hop puckalish :-). but as far as lady rappers out now? try lil’ mama, remy ma, and teyanna taylor. i think eve is also trying to make a comeback. and we can argue about whether or not M.I.A. is hip-hop/ a rapper.
    i’ll also add “honky tonk badonkadonk” to the list. i was actually more amazed that ‘badonkadonk’ crossed over from a hot keith murray line to trace adkins.

  • http://aintiawoman.wordpress.com Aint I A Woman

    It makes no sense to me that people are up in arms about Samhita’s post when it is CLEARLY TITLED “UNFeminist…”
    Look, we are all human, and feminism is supposed to be about people’s voices, and those people are human, and its about fluidity of identity, and hell, hip hop has awesome beats (to some people’s ears). I remember reading/seeing an article with Jessica discussing her love of high heels and how it’s unfeminist but she’s a human and recognizes this and still loves them. AND I think one rigid concept of all the steps you need to take and feelings you need to have to become a “REAL feminist” is dangerous and silly.
    Samhita obviously recognizes that there is a lot of misogyny in this music, but honestly, rap is not one giant blanket concept and there is a lot of NON-misogyny in rap. Some songs aren’t even about women. Some are BY women. There is a lot of bad shit too. I dont know. We are all just humans who have a lot of unique interests and as long as we can recognize that these things might be in conflict with our feminist ideals, and don’t just pretend to make excuses for everything, I say everything is fine.
    and hell…don’t girls just wanna have fun? ;)

  • puckalish

    you’re absolutely right, Tiffany, but i’m going by billboard’s listings, okay… ;-)
    i shoulda said “hip hop”, not hip hop… lol

  • spike the cat

    Er, I thought we were more talking about the raw kinda gangsta stuff. Some of artists folks are praising are more like R&B and pop.
    Anyhoo, I want to be clear my post was only about the gangsta/wannabee gansta stuff.

  • Oshkosher

    This post made me die a little inside.
    I know too many men who imitate and look up to those mainstream assholes. And then they act and treat women accordingly…………

  • amirah

    I’m right there with you. I love me some “Low” by Flo-Rida or some Dem Franchise Boys. I’ve even been known to rock out to some 50 Cent. There’s just something about summertime and rocking out to loud, rap music. Love!

  • Lala

    I feel you Samhita. 99.9 percent of the hip critics don’t know what they are talking about anyway. I can’t get that lil Wayne and T Pain “got money” out my head. There is something very off-putting about the anti hip hop zealots.

  • http://dru-plus-spike.livejournal.com M0xieHart

    I get the point of these posts, but does every one have to be “Oh no, I listen to rap” or “Oh no, I listen to reggeton?” Are these repetitive posts really bringing anything new to the conversation?
    My unfeminist guilty pleasures:
    -Scary movies, especially stuff from the 80s and before like Last House on the Left
    -Fuego en la Sangre, this crazy telenovela that I discovered accidentally
    -Tomb Raider
    There is so much more stuff to discuss than having the same old, “Rap is more racist than rock, rock is more racist than rap” back and forth.

  • Lala

    In the need for full disclosure I have to say I can argue pro hip hop here and critique what I question over at Okay Player (love those Roots). Its just that the discussions are usually so unbalanced that makes the heads defensive. One thing I would like to see is more support for the parts people say they’d like to see.
    Now what I can’t abide personally and it make just be me is R Kelly.

  • nightingale

    Thank you for posting this–uh, again. I love this series. Every so often I get down on myself for enjoying unfeminist or even anti-feminist things. I can’t imagine how anyone would not, unless they’re more sensitive than I am and if so, I feel sorry for them. There are unfeminist and anti-feminist things in life, and sometimes they involve things that we enjoy otherwise.
    Oh–and I have a recommendation! Flobots is my new favorite band. They remind me a bit of early Eminem, but they’re political and amazing.

  • Andie

    Thanks for the post Samhita. I often find myself in the same position as you…trying to reconcile my feminism with my love for (at least mainstream) hip hop. I recognize and understand all the ramifications of the rampant sexism and misogyny in music, but I just can’t help loving it. What concerns me more than myself though are my students. As a high school teacher in an urban school, those hypothetical boys mentioned in earlier posts who look up to and idolize these rappers are very real to me. I struggle especially with the Media Literacy class that I teach. I do attempt to teach them to see these messages in the media (not just rap, but everywhere) and see how insidious they are and how they get into our heads and actions without us even knowing it, but it’s hard…one person vs. the American culture is a losing battle! On one hand, I feel that just understanding that these messages exist at all, that absolutely everything is marketed to us, is half the battle, but there are so many kids who really think that all these rappers are the from-the-street, hard-core, gang member guys that they think they are, not realizing that some of this is an act targeted right at them, and quite effectively. They see that they have money, women fawning over them, all the toys and houses that they want. How do I compete with that message? It’s so pervasive in our culture and so hard to expose.

  • Andie

    Oh, and to bridge off of nightingale’s post…another great hip hop artist is France’s MC Solaar. All the beats without all the crap. Well, at least from what I can tell from my translations!

  • Samhita

    I didn’t delete any of your comments and if they were deleted it is probably because they were not contributing to discussion of the threads. There is no point to you trying to take a stand for your freedom to comment on this site. We moderate the site. You can always get your own blog.

  • Chelsea

    Yeah I was just thinking about this today listening to “pop lock and drop it”. I don’t know how to reconcile my love of poppy hip-hop and goofy beats/samples and sexist lyrics with my feminism, but whatever. Like you and many others have said, lots of mainstream music of all genres has sexism like this. Hip hop just has the redeeming factor of not sucking, heeeey! Except a lot of the stuff on the radio does suck…eeeeeh.
    I spent a lot of high school trying to align my music/tv/clothes/magazine tastes with my personal politics and to be honest, that shit gets boring.

  • Morgan La Fey

    While I don’t agree with what frat has to say, I do believe that anyone who isn’t outright trolling should be allowed to say her piece. But then, this is not my blog and I suppose the moderators are free to do as they please

  • puckalish

    Morgan,
    i can’t believe you’re buying this guy’s bullshit. come on. he’s saying he can’t post. however, you can read what he’s writing – which means he can post. see the irony?

  • Ariel

    Samhita- You’re not alone. Even I like Flo Rider and his song “Low” and I don’t even like hip-hop. If it makes you feel better, I like Korean dress-up games.
    Frat- Go cry me a river.

  • Lydia Encyclopedia

    If I remember, didn’t Courtney touch on this subject in Perfect Girls, Starving Daughters? I remember being intrigued by it, even though my own musical taste isn’t very diverse. It’s great to see the more human side to reconciling our beliefs with what pleases our ears. :)

  • Megs

    I always love this series, because as feminist as I am and I try to be; I am a human and with that comes complexity and flaws…I love soap operas and romance novels…I love love old movies where most of the time the woman ends up searching for a man…I’m not going to stop watching Cary Grant or Frank Sinatra…
    I identify as a feminist, but that is not my only identity, I’m also a student, a teacher, a woman, a sister, a daughter, a friend, a democrat, a yoga enthusiast, etc. It is possible to be all these things at once. I hate that so many take this thread and criticize the UN in Unfeminist Guilty Pleasure…Does it make me a bad feminist to love General Hospital? Because I flove the Roots I can’t be a “real” feminist? or is it that I’m just not as feminist as those who are without such Guilty Pleasures? No it does not…
    And I believe that is the whole point of this blog series…to admit to ourselves if not to others that we aren’t perfect beings who cannot recognize that we all have and enjoy things that we know are bad for us, but we don’t always give them up. Caffeine is not good for me, but I’m not stopping with drinking my Starbucks…
    We are complex and judging one another’s complexities when they are brave enough to bare them to us just always frustrates me.

  • niobevulpes.myopenid.com

    I’m a skeptic but I love listening to Erykah Badu and her 3 dollars and 6 dimes. I’m an atheist but I like some gospel and spirituals. My husband loves listening to black metal but isn’t a nazi sympathiser or a sadist.
    Tom Araya from Slayer asked people, why he was singled out for their lyrics but actors playing in slasher movies were not. Song texts always had the underlying assumption that they are the writers inner feelings, but in most cases, especially in the billboard popular section, are just as distant to the artist delivering them as a script is to an actor.
    Now, I’m going to listen to Neyo’s remix of “she’s got her own”. Even though it promotes materialism and brand loyalty, it’s an anthem.

  • Lala

    I love these threads and I totally agree with what Megs and others said. We are multi-layered people and we have some contradictions. I love hearing how we reconcile and negotiate our lives. So often the “big name” feminists we see seem so rigid and distance and removed. Here I see people like me.

  • MisukoB

    I guess I’m one of those “perfect” and “rigid” feminist who make boring choices in my life…
    Personally I don’t listen to hip hop, and one of the reasons is the to often misogyny an sexist lyrics and attitude in many songs, and yes I know this is not uncommon in other types of music as well.
    And posts like these and some of the posts in this thread just makes me depressed, I mean one second people fight misogynism and sexism, and in the next they listen to songs that support and indirectly support it. :(