You and your shame-cave!

and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. Both comments and trackbacks are currently closed.

60 Comments

  1. GopherII
    Posted May 1, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Damn great segment!
    This makes me happy one of my minors is in broadcasting! These kinds of on-target humour segments should be broadly shown and have a wider audience than they already have!

  2. MagdoleneLives
    Posted May 1, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    So this is what feminists are willing to settle for?
    Then why bother?

    Tinfoilhattie, please tell me that you’re not using that in reference to a television show (that, as the dead horse is fully beaten, is a regular advocate of feminism for reasons I *ahem* cited above and could cite some more) and about the world et large? C’mon, really. Either watch the show a few times or cast a better net for your ire.
    And SpiderJerusalem, The Daily Show by no means practices “women hatred” by its writers or anyone else, not as far as I’ve seen in the nine plus years I’ve watched it and I’ve got a pretty keen eye for these things. Ironic you should mention SNL. Jane Curtin, Gilda Radner, Lorraine Newman, Jeanne Garofalo, and several other female cast members have complained of Lorne Michaels’s sexism, particularly in promoting female comedians. Tiny Fey is the exception, not the norm. I also have some bones to pick with her personally, since female or not, she’s cracked homophobic jokes on a regular basis (and let’s remember she was the show’s head writer for a time) and has a set of sexist values all her own. Sadly, as above with Caitlin Flanagan, you can’t rely on women to be advocates for women or for feminism. Not that I’m saying that’s what YOU’RE saying, I’m merely stating a sad fact about Tina Fey, who is becoming one of the best known female comedians/comedy writers in America and has some pretty sorry views. Thankfully Amy Poehler who appears to be becoming as popular has some better ideas about feminism and about women and comedy.

  3. Ninapendamaishi
    Posted May 1, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    “I don’t think a current lack of women is sexist.
    It’s entirely possible that they were going for who had their sense of humor down, and that most of those who auditioned and fit the show happened to be male.”
    Most comedians in the very male-dominated biz of comedy are male, so /of course/ more males auditioned. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t sexist, at least in a systemic sense.
    And besides, if Jon Stewart wanted an equal balance of males and females on his show, don’t you think he’d be able to find enough qualified females willing to do the job? My guess is, he just hasn’t extended that effort… Whether or not you think he’s obligated to, well, that’s another issue.
    You know who I’d /love/ to see? In Margaret Cho’s blog, she mentions how she and Jon Stewart were friends for awhile as young people…

  4. Ninapendamaishi
    Posted May 1, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    “I’m merely stating a sad fact about Tina Fey, who is becoming one of the best known female comedians/comedy writers in America and has some pretty sorry views”
    Care to be more specific?

  5. MagdoleneLives
    Posted May 1, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    And besides, if Jon Stewart wanted an equal balance of males and females on his show, don’t you think he’d be able to find enough qualified females willing to do the job? My guess is, he just hasn’t extended that effort… Whether or not you think he’s obligated to, well, that’s another issue.
    He’s conducting a fake news show that mocks the 24 hour news networks that have an arsenal of white male pundits (yeah they have a woman or a person of color here and there, but name one with as big a name as Hannity, Anderson Cooper, Keith Olbermann, Bill O’Reilly, et cetera). He’s obligated to mock that, and obligated, in my personal opinion, to reflect a progressive attitude in contrast to the style of news he’s mocking. Jon Stewart and The Daily Show have a consistent history of progressive views.
    As for Tina Fey, she’s a fan of “female humor is THIS, male humor is THAT” which I find FAR more appalling that a fake news show which is supposed to reflect the “real” news shows that have largely white male casts.
    One of her more restrained interviews wherein she discusses the subject (as well as The Daily Show and her own comic influences) can be found here.
    I realize it’s not popular to criticize Tiny Fey, but it’s simply my opinion.

  6. MagdoleneLives
    Posted May 1, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    *facepalm*
    TINA Fey. I wasn’t trying to be cute, my quick proof-read before I posted didn’t catch that.

  7. Sappho
    Posted May 1, 2008 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Exactly, Tinfoilhattie.
    If feminism is about criticize sexism here, criticize it there, but never criticize it someone who we like, then how does it have any intellectual or analytical integrity?
    Identical patterns of male-dominated casting, humor, and focus would be lambasted in any other feminist arena…I’m just really surprised that it is not so on this website, of all websites.
    I don’t think there’s cognitive dissonance in saying that the Daily Show is both brilliant and funny and sexist all at once. They’re not mutually exclusive attributes.

  8. Vodalus
    Posted May 1, 2008 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    OMG, I want Twisty to go on the Daily Show STAT. Actually, she should do the Colbert Report… Oh man, that would be some great television…
    I agree that there are definite systematic issues that cause the Daily Show to be so heavily white-male. *Every* group dominated by white males argues that they “just hire the best candidates”. But we all know that’s bullshit whether it’s about doctors, scientists, politicians or comedians. Just because you like something doesn’t give it a pass. But that also doesn’t mean that you can’t enjoy what there is to enjoy.
    Side note: has there ever been a WoC in the Daily Show cast?

  9. MagdoleneLives
    Posted May 2, 2008 at 2:27 am | Permalink

    To Sappho:
    If feminism is about criticize sexism here, criticize it there, but never criticize it someone who we like, then how does it have any intellectual or analytical integrity?
    The utter absurdity of asking “Is this what feminists are willing to settle for?” about this program and not about, say, a program that claims to be the progressive choice for women today, such as Sex in the City should close that argument altogether.
    I don’t think there’s cognitive dissonance in saying that the Daily Show is both brilliant and funny and sexist all at once. They’re not mutually exclusive attributes.
    I don’t know about you, but if something (book/movie/film) displays sexism or a sexist sentiment, it stops being brilliant and funny and is… sexist. Sexism to me negates the brilliant/funny aspect of something. To me, they are mutual exclusive attributes. I enjoy The Daily Show for many reasons, one of which is that on a regular basis it demonstrates a pro-feminist sentiment.
    To Vodalus:
    Just because you like something doesn’t give it a pass.
    Absolutely not. But you might stop to consider the REASONS why people like this particular program. As I said above, I enjoy it because (among other reasons) it regularly promotes a feminist viewpoint. If you think that the argument over whether or not this show is sexist ends with the fact it has only one woman as a member of the regular correspondents, then I think you’re missing the idea entirely.
    Side note: has there ever been a WoC in the Daily Show cast?
    No, actually, there hasn’t. However, I reiterate my point that The Daily Show is a program that is set to parody the 24-hour news networks, damn few of which display women or people of color in prominent pundit positions (whoa, say that three times fast). Until the 24-hour news networks start having more women and minorities to parody, then the show that parodies them will retain it’s largely white male cast. I may also point out that the show acknowledges the tokenism of the 24-hour news networks (and therefore its own to parody the 24-hour news networks) regularly with their “Senior Black Correspondent” and “Senior Woman Correspondent” segments. A particularly amusing bit involved both, actually, regarding (what else) the Pennsylvania primary.
    I think those that seek to judge the show based on a chance airing or a couple clips they may or may not have watched do both the show and themselves a disservice by calling it “sexist”.

  10. stéphane
    Posted June 7, 2009 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    you all are way two smart for me . I now know that every christian considers that a vagina is a shame cave .
    Befor i read this entry i was a christian that believed in equality betwin men and women but thanks to you know that it is not possible and that i must either consider that a vagina is a shamefull organ or join you in your delusional anti christian battle .Thanks to you i rest assured that a middle way doesn’t exist and is definitely impossible.
    Again thank you all for your wisdom .

Feministing In Your Inbox

Sign up for our Newsletter to stay in touch with Feministing
and receive regular updates and exclusive content.

177 queries. 2.526 seconds