Israeli president steps down, gets plea bargain in return.

Well this seems fucked.
Israeli president Moshe Katsav stepped down from his presidency yesterday due to the rape charges that have been brought against him, but only to be rewarded with the dropping of the actual rape charges.
The prosecutors, who had originally said they had intended on charging him with raping two women that could land him 20 years in jail, are now in talks with Katsav about a plea bargain which would allow him to just confess to sexual harassment. Because, you know, it’s all the same shit anyway.
A protest of over 20,000 in Tel Aviv resulted in outrage over the bargain yesterday, which has been frozen for at least 24 hours before any final decisions are made.

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15 Comments

  1. Posted July 2, 2007 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    An officeholder who is *literally* a rapist, that’s different.
    And getting away with it. Not so different.

  2. Posted July 2, 2007 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    So if he is now to be convicted only of sexual assault are we to assume that he assaulted her and THEN she consented to sex? That is so insulting.

  3. jane
    Posted July 2, 2007 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    It’s kind of important not to have people like this in positions of power, modeling the worst kind of behavior.

  4. SarahMC
    Posted July 2, 2007 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    I see our condemnation of rape has really rattled Lee.
    Talking about what goes on in other countries is not “meddling” in their affairs or lobbying to change policies.
    Interesting that you view punishing rape as “imposing our views.”

  5. GiGi
    Posted July 2, 2007 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Lee,
    1. Being outraged about a rapist getting a plea bargain transcends national and international boundaries. 2. As far as I know, Israel does not have a “social policy” that condones rape. 3. Calderon is the current president of Mexico. 4. If feminists, and our desire to “control social policy”, upset you so much, why do you visit this blog?

  6. Jess
    Posted July 2, 2007 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    just the Anglo West? come on, give us a little more credit…hahaha.
    thanks, GiGi, for pointing out that this super concerned world citizen doesn’t know who the Mexican head of state is…

  7. werechick
    Posted July 2, 2007 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Lee, it’s not like we’re arguing about whether to put another stop light in Tel Aviv, or about what parking fines ought to be in Jerusalem.
    We’re talking about rule of law, a concept that is crucial for any functioning society, something that wasn’t cooked up in a feminist conspiracy or whatever you think it was.
    We’re talking about justice, not about making some other country a colony, but about assuring a basic standard of law to protect all world citizens.
    Not to Godwin the thread, but by your argument, the Nuremburg Trials would not have been held, because we wouldn’t have the right to “impose our values” on Germany.

  8. werechick
    Posted July 2, 2007 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Lee, it’s not like we’re arguing about whether to put another stop light in Tel Aviv, or about what parking fines ought to be in Jerusalem.
    We’re talking about rule of law, a concept that is crucial for any functioning society, something that wasn’t cooked up in a feminist conspiracy or whatever you think it was.
    We’re talking about justice, not about making some other country a colony, but about assuring a basic standard of law to protect all world citizens.
    Not to Godwin the thread, but by your argument, the Nuremburg Trials would not have been held, because we wouldn’t have the right to “impose our values” on Germany.

  9. calina
    Posted July 2, 2007 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Lee, if the rights granted by sovereign state don’t meet the minimum standards of protection offered by universal human rights then yes, feminist philosophy allows that universal rights will trump national sovereignty. But that’s irrelevant here; rape isn’t acceptable in Israel, and having the President appear to bargain out of standing trial for those charges just because he is the president is also culturally inexcusable. And those twenty thousand Israeli protestors seem to agree.

  10. idratherbedrunk
    Posted July 4, 2007 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    I wish I could say it’s surprising. First of all, the very powerful are typically above the law. Libby doesn’t have to go to jail. If Bush was accused of rape would anything happen to him?
    Second, Israel is a crazy right-wing country. Ariel Sharon was known as the butcher of Lebanon and was rewarded by being made Prime Minister. And to do what they do to the Palestinians they need a heightened tolerance of violence.
    That is why gay rights marches in Israel are usually met with violence http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/288932/jewish_bomber_targeted_gay_rights_parade.html A society at constant war who is trying to crush another people are going to have all their thinking polluted by authoritarianism and acceptance of violence.
    I’m sure some Israeli’s are pissed that he got off light, just as many work very hard for the well-being of Palestinians. But most of them probably just want to punish him because he lost that war against Lebanon.

  11. idratherbedrunk
    Posted July 4, 2007 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    I wish I could say it’s surprising. First of all, the very powerful are typically above the law. Libby doesn’t have to go to jail. If Bush was accused of rape would anything happen to him?
    Second, Israel is a crazy right-wing country. Ariel Sharon was known as the butcher of Lebanon and was rewarded by being made Prime Minister. And to do what they do to the Palestinians they need a heightened tolerance of violence.
    That is why gay rights marches in Israel are usually met with violence http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/288932/jewish_bomber_targeted_gay_rights_parade.html A society at constant war who is trying to crush another people are going to have all their thinking polluted by authoritarianism and acceptance of violence.
    I’m sure some Israeli’s are pissed that he got off light, just as many work very hard for the well-being of Palestinians. But most of them probably just want to punish him because he lost that war against Lebanon.

  12. idratherbedrunk
    Posted July 4, 2007 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I wish I could say it’s surprising. First of all, the very powerful are typically above the law. Libby doesn’t have to go to jail. If Bush was accused of rape would anything happen to him?
    Second, Israel is a crazy right-wing country. Ariel Sharon was known as the butcher of Lebanon and was rewarded by being made Prime Minister. And to do what they do to the Palestinians they need a heightened tolerance of violence.
    That is why gay rights marches in Israel are usually met with violence http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/288932/jewish_bomber_targeted_gay_rights_parade.html A society at constant war who is trying to crush another people are going to have all their thinking polluted by authoritarianism and acceptance of violence.
    I’m sure some Israeli’s are pissed that he got off light, just as many work very hard for the well-being of Palestinians. But most of them probably just want to punish him because he lost that war against Lebanon.

  13. Brynhild
    Posted July 4, 2007 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    To “Idratherbedrunk�,
    Your comments are wrong on several levels. First of all, Israel is rated 43 in the world (two places behind the U.S.) for freedom of speech. It is the only democracy in the Middle East. Calling it an authoritarian right-wing country is both cantankerous and incorrect.
    Secondly, Katsav, the president of Israel, is ultimately a figurehead. He had no control over the Lebanon war—that was the prime minister Ehud Olmert’s decision.
    Lastly, you say gay marches are always met with violence? Gays have the same if not more justices in Israel than in America. And how about the rest of the Middle East– where homosexuality is condemned in every other country in the region. Where gays are hung in Iran for the “evil wickednessâ€? of practicing free love with a person of the same sex? And what about in Palestine? What would Hamas and Fatah think about gay rights? What would they do about rape? Would they fire their president over misogyny and violence?
    It is a shame Katsav might get away with his hideous crimes of rape. But to assume it represents the entire political foundation of a country is a gross misrepresentation and a fallacy that leads nowhere.

  14. Brynhild
    Posted July 4, 2007 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    To “Idratherbedrunk�,
    Your comments are wrong on several levels. First of all, Israel is rated 43 in the world (two places behind the U.S.) for freedom of speech. It is the only democracy in the Middle East. Calling it an authoritarian right-wing country is both cantankerous and incorrect.
    Secondly, Katsav, the president of Israel, is ultimately a figurehead. He had no control over the Lebanon war—that was the prime minister Ehud Olmert’s decision.
    Lastly, you say gay marches are always met with violence? Gays have the same if not more justices in Israel than in America. And how about the rest of the Middle East– where homosexuality is condemned in every other country in the region. Where gays are hung in Iran for the “evil wickednessâ€? of practicing free love with a person of the same sex? And what about in Palestine? What would Hamas and Fatah think about gay rights? What would they do about rape? Would they fire their president over misogyny and violence?
    It is a shame Katsav might get away with his hideous crimes of rape. But to assume it represents the entire political foundation of a country is a gross misrepresentation and a fallacy that leads nowhere.

  15. Brynhild
    Posted July 4, 2007 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    To “Idratherbedrunk�,
    Your comments are wrong on several levels. First of all, Israel is rated 43 in the world (two places behind the U.S.) for freedom of speech. It is the only democracy in the Middle East. Calling it an authoritarian right-wing country is both cantankerous and incorrect.
    Secondly, Katsav, the president of Israel, is ultimately a figurehead. He had no control over the Lebanon war—that was the prime minister Ehud Olmert’s decision.
    Lastly, you say gay marches are always met with violence? Gays have the same if not more justices in Israel than in America. And how about the rest of the Middle East– where homosexuality is condemned in every other country in the region. Where gays are hung in Iran for the “evil wickednessâ€? of practicing free love with a person of the same sex? And what about in Palestine? What would Hamas and Fatah think about gay rights? What would they do about rape? Would they fire their president over misogyny and violence?
    It is a shame Katsav might get away with his hideous crimes of rape. But to assume it represents the entire political foundation of a country is a gross misrepresentation that leads nowhere.

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