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  • Gweem

    ‘”Not a great idea,” agrees Fisch. “The ejaculate coming forward is a significant part of a man’s sexuality.’
    So, according to some, is a woman’s ability to get pregnant. Or, to most others, to have sex without having to gain weight and worry about it at the same time, take pills every day and mess up her hormone balance.
    But that goes straight out of the windows, because unless a man can shoot messy goo out of his penis whilst climaxing, he isn’t a ‘real man’.
    I, for one, ike the idea of the pill. It sounds like there’d be slightly less room for mistakes (i.e. forgetting to take the pill one morning) than with the female contraceptive.

  • StacyM

    Why do I have the suspicion that many of these attitudes boil down to not having to worry about shouldering the brunt of child rearing or childbirth?
    I’m doing my best to hold my tongue on this one. There are a number of snotty comments I want to make about the men in this article.

  • Sylke

    I’ll make a snotty comment, Stacy. When I read a headline about the male pill titled “Can men be trusted to take the pill?” my first thought was “No.” Why in the world should they worry, when they aren’t the ones who have to bear the burden of having a child? One of the many priviliges of being a man in this day and age is that they get to stroll away from their responsibilities whenever they want to, and they do. In droves.
    A man can pop all the contraception pills he wants – I’m still using my preferred method of birth control, no matter what.

  • StacyM

    A small daydream just popped into mind:
    A woman is sitting at a table in a restaurant with her date. She pulls a small bottle of pills out of her purse, smiles at him, and says, “Either you take one of these, or the evening ends after dessert.� The man starts to grimace, but then remembers several dates with other women that ended swiftly when he refused. He forces a smile, and then takes the bottle from her hand.
    Unfortunately, as usual, this presumes that women ultimately have to take responsibility for birth control in a relationship. That’s pretty awful. However, it makes me smile to imaging large numbers of women doing this to their boyfriends.

  • StacyM

    Oops. That should be “imagine” not “imaging.”

  • UltraMagnus

    I’m totally with you. The bottom line is men don’t ever have to worry about getting pregnant so they don’t believe that they should have any responsibility for not getting the woman pregnant. If she hadn’t wanted it then she should have kept her legs closed. Notice I said kept her legs closed because I’d bet dimes to dollars that it’s these same guys who bitch about having to put on a condom in the first place because it “just doesn’t feel as good”.
    My fantasy involves a Lysistrata (sp?) type of coup where all hetro women unite and just say “NO” to sex with hetro guys until they suck it up and take responsibility.
    If anybody needs me I’ll be in the deep recesses of my mind…

  • Tom Head

    You know, menstruation is a large part of a woman’s sexual identity, too, but that apparently isn’t a dealbreaker.
    Yeah, I have to agree with previous posts. Those men who never know they’ll be having sex two hours before they have it? Not the kind of men who give a damn what happens to the woman after they’re done.
    I doubt they make up a majority of men, but…
    As far as the “dry run” goes, I personally don’t find the idea all that disturbing but I would want to know, here again, how the pill works. If it works by backflowing into the bladder or something equally gruesome, then obviously this becomes a less pleasant proposition…
    Reliability should also be a factor, especially when you bear in mind that pre-ejaculate contains adequate sperm for impregnation, not to mention enough other meaty cells to create the possibility of STD seroconversion. So it sounds to me like this is an excellent thing to use with a condom, not instead of one.
    So I think there are valid questions to ask, but saying outright “Oh, I won’t take it” is one of the most blatant examples of male privilege I think I’ve seen in a while, and that’s saying something.

  • jrav

    [How would it not affect your sperm count in the next three or four days?" frets Matt. "If you took it for a week or month, how would it keep you from being sterile for a year?"]
    Um, the same could be said for women taking birth control. It takes a while, in some cases, for the bc to fully get out of a woman’s system.
    And I love that every one of these men completely scoffed at the idea. Read: “Why should I give a shit if she gets pregnant? If I don’t know I’m having sex in two hours, I sure as hell won’t know her when she’s knocked up and craving pickles…”

  • a_human

    I agree with TH that I’m concerned about how and if it works.
    But I’d still be willing to try it.

  • Mastermind

    The author of the piece not only interviewed men off the street with negative views (and probably little knowledge) of the “male pill”, but also found doctors opposed to it. I don’t think this is very balanced journalism.
    Would I trust a man to take birth control? Only in a serious, trusting relationship, not on a date.

  • ES

    “Why in the world should they worry?”
    Because we care about the wellbeing and happiness of others? Because causing an unwanted pregnancy might be a really bad idea? Because sharing the burden in family planning is the right thing to do? Not all men wander aimlessly around looking for women to impregnate and then run from, and some do care enough to use this contraceptive. Assuming it pans out to be as effective as is claimed, it would make a very good addition to the available contraceptive options we have.
    It really seems like this article sought out men with the worst possible attitudes to interview. I agree with the above poster, miserable journalism.

  • Laina

    I’d like to clarify a science point, jrav.
    It doesn’t often take months or weeks for the hormones from BC pills to leave the body, the adjustment after coming off the pill is a result of the body taking a while to re-adjust to not recieving hormones and having to instead make them itself. There are a lot of hormones involved and a lot of bodily funcitons involved [a hormone is something that affects various parts of the body, not just one, so it's not just your ovaries/vag/uterus/boobs that are being affected. It's your other organs, and your brain, too] so it may often take several months for the body to get itself back in balance.

  • bittergradstudent

    Honestly, male pill or no, no woman should trust a man to take bc.
    But, really, trusting a woman to do the same is equally problematic. If this empowers responsible men to be more in charge of the consequences of their actions, then great.
    If this passes FDA muster, then it is just one less excuse men have to duck out on child support &etc. “She said she was on the pill” or “I think she poked a hole in the condom” or any other stupid argument like that will be all the less plausible.
    I almost want to start a rumor that it increases penis size

  • azila

    Putting artificial hormones in our bodies every single day so that you can screw without the ‘inconvenience’ of a condom is fine, but a non-hormonal pill that’ll make ‘your boys’ unable to swim for a few hours is asking too much? Are you kidding me?
    “It’s going to influence the ability of the sperm to get into the prostate to be released during ejaculation – and dry ejaculate is not preferable.”
    Meanwhile, some forms of the (female) pill may cause cancer. awesome, asshats. what is wrong with people?
    if, by some chance, these type of men actually do grow up and agree to claiming their half of responsible family planning, i’d bet 10:1 odds that the male pill will be covered by insurance, just like Viagra. but not because family planning is important.. because ‘men need sponteneity to feel valued in their sex lives.’ ugh.

  • QuestionsNotAnswers

    A male BC is a great idea!!!
    But I only have one problem. Doesn’t this give the power of BC over to men?
    What if I want to get pregnant and my husband/partner says no?
    I would really hate the whole “my body, my choice” concept used by my husband to determine when or if I chose to become pregnant.

  • sojourner

    Are you for real? You mean a man should not have control over whether or not he wants to father a child?!

  • QuestionsNotAnswers

    Of course I am for real. If I want to have a child, it’s MY decision. My body, my choice, right? I don’t want some irresponsible man who refuses to grow up telling me when or if I can have a child.

  • satirelikefire

    I don’t know if “sheer terror” was the impulse that was sent through my body. I was more like, “I’ll try that.” It’s the next step for bedroom equality.
    But there are obvious links to hormonal imbalance relating to birth control in females and even cancer. It’s expected that it will happen to men as well, but in the early stages.
    As for how it works, I imagine that the ejaculate is probably passed into the urinary stream and will probably come out during urination.
    There’s a little trick for doing so that I’ve heard about in the past. I can’t imagine it being reabsorbed into the body because there are cases of men being allergic to their own semen in the body. I believe it’s called human seminal plasma hypersensitivity.

  • Maureen

    QnA: Two words: Sperm bank. Seriously, if a dude doesn’t want to give you his sperm, go with another guy’s, all right?
    Satirelikefire: I think I read in the Nerve sex book “The Big Bang” tht Grant Stoddard tried the technique and the semen backtracked into his urine. The technique was for multiple “dry” orgasms–I wonder if this new pill could make men multiorgasmic? That may make more men eager to try it.

  • QuestionsNotAnswers

    I guess a sperm bank would be OK. But if I fell in love with my partner, I would want kids with HIM. And even if we broke up, I could make him financially accountable for the kid(s) through the courts. I can’t do that at a sperm bank.

  • satirelikefire

    I do believe that’s the trick (although ‘technique’ might be a better word – no illusions of rabbits out of hats or any of that) I was thinking of. It could promote multiple orgasms in men because I think the actual ejaculation is what makes men finish and then curl up and fall asleep.
    Let’s start these rumors of inflated penis size and multiple orgasms to get more blokes on board.

  • Jessica

    Oh please, Q&A is trolling. Don’t pay attention to him. So predictable.

  • sappysyntaxtree

    I do not see how any man could not feel profoundly uneasy about the hormonal side effects of the pill. Our partners’ well-being is messed with for our sake.
    Anything that has any chance of potentially removing that makes me enthusiastic and I don’t see how anyone can care about ejaculation in that light, if at all.
    Even just the thought of being able to provide more safety makes me excited about this.

  • soullite

    this sounds like a good option. I can’t say I’m completely at ease with this pill, but it’s certainly better than that freaky implant. It’s useable until something more discreet is avaliable.
    There are only two problems with it in my book. Once is that it will have a psychological effect. It’s the embodiment of adult masculinity. It should be noted that most women don’t undergo the treatments that would stall her menstrual cycle. Even most that could afford it.
    Second, lets be frank. There are privacy issues here that go beyond those in women. I don’t really know if a girl I’m with is on the pill, and I shouldn’t. Her medical decisions aren’t my business. Sure, she SHOULD tell me, but she shouldn’t HAVE to tell me. That won’t be an option in this case. Still, it’s an option, and a real one, so it’s something.

  • tabitha91

    soullite – just a reminder, there are many birth control pills on the market that minimize or even eliminate menstration. There are, in fact, many women that prefer to not have a montly period, so it doesn’t follow that a woman’s feminity would be centered around her ability to menstrate

  • Messy Jessi

    Man, when me and my freinds first got wind of the Man Pill, we had kind of a blast coming up with a marketing campaign for it. Our slogan was “Shoulda been on the man pill!” We had a jingle and everything. Maybe we should find out who we pitch this shit to. It would sell so much man pill.

  • Arturo

    But eyaculation is a fun part of sex! What I don’t understand is if this pill is eyaculationless sex or spermless eyaculation?

  • EdConrad

    I realize the internet is full of half baked opinions by decidedly minor “intellectuals�, but the incoherent ramblings on MRA and feminist sites is appalling. The only reason I visit these misanthropic subcultures is a morbid fascination, like gawking at a car accident, with the extent to which dysfunctional people can attribute their personal shortcomings to the other gender.
    Boo hoo, a man got me pregnant and won’t financially support the child! Why did you have sex with him, genius? Are you unaware of what causes pregnancy, and methods for its prevention? Even after the fact you can (and will if it suits your mood of the moment) get an abortion.
    Boo hoo, a woman told me she was on the pill, and the liar got pregnant and now I’m financially obligated to “her� child for a long time! Do you enjoy having unprotected sex with women you don’t well enough to have identified as honest versus deceitful, genius? If so, enjoy the support payments.
    Have fun playing in your “battle of the sexes� while the world changes so rapidly that your current thoughts become irrelevant to the mainstream of humanity. Our future is our children, and none of you men or women involved with this self righteous gender rights crap give me hope for our future.

  • Bearcat

    I’m a little hesitant about this drug (since they haven’t even said what it is yet), but if it is really safe, and works, I would love to have it.
    I would prefer a long-term pill, though, since not all sex is planned.

  • Vervain

    Given that the majority of male posters here seem to have an attitude of, I have some concerns about how it works and potential side effects, but overall, sounds interesting, I’d like to try it, or something like it, provided it’s safe” I rather suspect the (alleged) unanimously adamant HELL, NO! responses from the article to be a likely case of biased reporting. I think our friendly reporter (as so many seem to do these days) decided what they thought popular opinion would be on this subject, and then proceeded to report only the opinions they found that supported that premise.
    More and more these days it seems the news is more interested in telling us what they think we want to hear, or what they want us to think, than presenting us with the facts and letting us think or decide for ourselves. And I hate that. It’s insulting to our intelligence and seems grounded in a desire to turn people into “sheeple.”
    Whatever happened to journalistic integrity?

  • noname

    I am all for male birth control, I just think that the 2 hour wait and not being sure when it stops working makes this particular form of BC pretty useless. Who plans a window of time for sex two hours before hand? I guess morning sex is out of the question unless I am willing to wake up two hours early.
    BTW, most guys I know are terrified of getting their girlfriend / date pregnant.

  • Joanne

    soullite, what’s this about a ‘freaky implant’? Not that I’m trying to start some kind of argument, just that I have an implant and was wondering if there was anything the doctor didn’t tell me…?

  • donna darko

    any new contraceptive will be freaky to males. all they had up to now were condoms and vasectomies.
    when men get “lippy” over the male pill, we will have switched places.

  • Alon Levy

    Vervain, male commenters on Feministing aren’t really a representative sample of men. For a start, even those regulars who are considered trolls, like Raging Moderate and I think Noname, are very pro-choice.

  • Tom Head

    Vervain writes:
    I think our friendly reporter (as so many seem to do these days) decided what they thought popular opinion would be on this subject, and then proceeded to report only the opinions they found that supported that premise.
    No doubt. Even Warren Farrel is excited about the male birth control pill–and besides, if the author’s interviewees were actually interested in taking the pill, it would have ruined the whole “boys will be boys, canto 137″ novelty story angle.

  • Tom Head

    By the way, the fact that the MRA people in general aren’t absolutely jumping for joy over this possibility demonstrates that they’re more worried about controlling women’s bodies than they are about paternity fraud.
    Anybody surprised by this? No? Just checking…

  • noname

    Alon – Yup. I am definitely pro-choice. I actually tend to agree with much of what I read here, even if I don’t often comment on those things.

  • oenophile

    Completely cynical comment of the day:
    Isn’t this great for men who complain about their girlfriends “getting themselves pregnant?” Don’t want to get a girl pregnant? Don’t want to be “trapped into matrimony” or “insert sexist comment here?” Take the freakin’ male Pill.
    Funny how they complain about the male Pill not preventing STDs, causing long-term infertility, having side effects, etc… not like the female version doesn’t. Grr.