More consequences for drunk sluts


Tonight on Paula Zahn, CNN will cover the story of girls who are sexually assaulted while passed out and end up with their picture on the internet.
How much do you want to bet this will be yet another “girls gone wild and paying the price” piece?

Why isn’t the segment being promoted as guys who prey on unconscious women?

UPDATE: Here’s the transcript.

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16 Comments

  1. Ann
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Sheesh! Did they declare it National Blame the Drunk Sluts Week or something?

  2. david thompson
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    “Why isn’t the segment being promoted as guys who prey on unconscious women?”
    Because that would be just another case of “dog bites man”, which doesn’t attract nearly as much nervous attention as “your daughter’s imminent peril”.

  3. Posted March 29, 2006 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Why isn’t the segment being promoted as guys who prey on unconscious women?
    Because, that would interrupt the “blame the sluts” narrative we see so often in the “socially conservative” press. Not only that, but if it was promoted as actually blaming men for their actions it might imply that it’s OK to be a female who likes to drink and have a good time as well as suggest that men are actually at fault when they sexually assault a women. I mean, we can’t go around letting the media suggest that. We all know that men can’t control themselves around “loose” women so they should be modest, perhaps with their Burkha by Target.

  4. Posted March 29, 2006 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Why isn’t anyone reporting the good news coming out of drunken frat parties? Or from Aruba…
    (/snark)

  5. Posted March 29, 2006 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    The Austin Lounge Lizards song Teenage Immigrant Welfare Mothers on Drugs
    Listen to a cut here:Teenage Immigrant Welfare Mothers on Drugs but don’t be drinking anything while listening that you don’t want sprayed all over the room…

    It’s been five years since we had a raise in pay
    And they disallowed my business lunches today
    Somebody must have changed the rules of the game
    So we’ve found a convenient scapegoat we can blame
    It’s those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
    (They’re too lazy to work)
    Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
    (They’re stealing our jobs)

  6. vinny jones
    Posted March 31, 2006 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    The problem of men preying on drunk women is inevitable if inexcusable. Women should know this and conduct themselves accordingly. It is absolutely not acceptable for a woman to be in drunk in any environment where she might be in danger of predation. And it is complete fallacy to suggest otherwise.

  7. vinny jones
    Posted March 31, 2006 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    The problem of men preying on drunk women is inevitable if inexcusable. Women should know this and conduct themselves accordingly. It is absolutely not acceptable for a woman to be in drunk in any environment where she might be in danger of predation. And it is complete fallacy to suggest otherwise.

  8. Posted March 31, 2006 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    vinny,
    things are only inevitable if they go unanswered. in other words, most things considered ‘inevitable’ are, in fact, not.
    for instance, at one point, it was inevitable in parts of this country that if a white and black person were seen being amorous (holding hands) in public, one of them had a good chance of dying. now, for the most part, they just risk being judged by strangers.
    oddly enough, even when people were scared and hiding from racist murderers, folks still got lynched… but then it changed when the lynchers were held responsible…
    so i guess it wasn’t inevitable, was it?
    maybe if we hold the attackers responsible for attacks things might actually change a little.

  9. Vinny jones
    Posted March 31, 2006 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Puck
    With all due respect to your argument, this is not about social attitudes, which of course, are not inevitable. This is about hormonally driven behaviour. Whether we like it or not, men are wired to be sexually importunate. And unfortunately alcohol and drugs can elevate this tendency to sexual aggression and predation. Although most men are capable of maintaining sexually acceptable boundaries while intoxicated, some or not. Likewise, not everyone is a thief. But if you are careless with your wallet you will surely attract one.

  10. Anonymous
    Posted April 2, 2006 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    Whether we like it or not, men are wired to be sexually importunate.

    i hear what you’re saying. i just completely and totally disagree. just saying “whether we like it or not” does not magically transform socialized behavior into biologically determined instinct.
    and i’ve got to say that i agree with you about self-protection, which is why it’s important for people to stay around friends and learn self-defense and whatnot. blaming women who’ve been taken advantage of for having a good time is far outside that realm. i would consider it similar to blaming emmett till for getting himself killed.
    further, removing the responsibility of men to behave as civilized individuals by saying that they’re hormonally driven (when under the influence) to be sexual predators further confuses the issue.
    i think it would be quite a lengthy discussion to go into why it’s baseless to claim that men, especially drunk men, are somehow biologically predisposed to sexual predation, so i’ll just leave it at that.
    cheers

  11. Posted April 2, 2006 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    Whether we like it or not, men are wired to be sexually importunate.

    i hear what you’re saying. i just completely and totally disagree. just saying “whether we like it or not” does not magically transform socialized behavior into biologically determined instinct.
    and i’ve got to say that i agree with you about self-protection, which is why it’s important for people to stay around friends and learn self-defense and whatnot. blaming women who’ve been taken advantage of for having a good time is far outside that realm. i would consider it similar to blaming emmett till for getting himself killed.
    further, removing the responsibility of men to behave as civilized individuals by saying that they’re hormonally driven (when under the influence) to be sexual predators further confuses the issue.
    i think it would be quite a lengthy discussion to go into why it’s baseless to claim that men, especially drunk men, are somehow biologically predisposed to sexual predation, so i’ll just leave it at that.
    cheers

  12. vinny jones
    Posted April 2, 2006 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Dear Puck
    At risk of vandalizing the florid notion of romance, I need to point out that male sexual predisposition is not socialized behaviour. Just like wanting a glass of water when you are thirsty is not socialized behaviour. Men are generally in a constant state of sexual readiness.
    With this in mind, if a woman were to stagger drunk into a military dorm wearing a short skirt and a bustier at two in the morning, most people would call it reckless. Likewise, if anybody violated her, we would call for punishment. There is a vast difference between saying drunk women deserve violence and women shouldn’t maintain reasonable standards of precaution when they are drinking. This is not about casting stones, or calling people ‘sluts’ or telling women not to get drunk. This is about asking womankind to please acknowledge the vagaries of the human condition, and proceed accordingly.

  13. Wolke
    Posted April 2, 2006 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Is there no troll control on this blog?

  14. Breck
    Posted April 3, 2006 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    I agree with Puck. Vinny, say it any way you want, it’s still holding the victim responsible for the attacker’s behavior. I applaud your practical approach, however, practical isn’t always best. If people had remained practical, they’d still be working 14 hours days for peanuts, slavery would still exist, and women would still be the property of men.

  15. T
    Posted May 13, 2006 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    Coming from someone who has been taking advantage of by a guy, everything everyone is saying about blame is just ridiculous. I don’t know what happened to me one night a week ago. I have never thrown up from drinking and I threw up many times. I don’t know if there were date rape drugs involved or not, but all I remember is some guys finding me passed out and taking me to their hotel room. They said they would help me, and being not in the state to make judgments, I went. I could barely walk and was throwing up…who, even drunk, would be pathetic enough to take advantage of a girl in that state, whether or not date rape drugs are involved? If it was just alcohol, yes, I shouldn’t have gotten as drunk, so I am at fault for that, but maybe the guy that decided to take advantage of an incredibly drunk girl, shouldn’t have had so much to drink either!! So I am at fault for drinking too much, but so is he! Who gives a shit about human nature and all that crap. What about respect and decency?????

  16. Ann
    Posted August 25, 2006 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    It’s a difficult subject for me still. But three years ago I was going through a bad patch in my life, a close relative of mine had died and I’d recently come out as gay. I went to a party with all my old friends from college. A close male friend, who I still saw regularly, turned up late. He knew I was on a low ebb and, by this time, I was also drunk and on drugs and was subsequently puking in the toilet. He was sober and told everyone that he would look after me. They trusted him, I wanted to trust him as he was an old friend. He had stayed at my house before and in all the 4 years we had known eachother he had never touched me. But now that I was pissed off my face and vulnerable he decided it was a good idea. Sometimes I think that I wanted the easiest option, it didn’t make any sense and so I went along with it, tried to get it out the way quickly cos it was a shock and I wasn’t prepared for it at all. I felt disgusting and I couldn’t quite put my finger on why…afterwards he acted like nothing had happened. The next day we got the bus together and he was pointing out attractive women to me. In the weeks that followed I sent him a text asking about computer equipment to see if there was any change in his behaviour, there was none. A month later he left a message on my phone saying he wanted to come round my house and borrow my camera. The sound of his voice made me so sick and suddenly I realised my camera and me were much the same thing, to be used. Still I wasn’t sure how to approach the situation so texted and said that it was on loan. One gay male friend (and friends with this lowly peice of shit) got it out of me one evening and told me to take myself to the the STD clinic. Talking to someone helped me put it into perspective because I felt wrong recounting it, like it wasn’t me I was talking about. So I sent him another text saying that I got as drunk as I did because I thought I was safe and amoungst friends, that I didn’t want to see him. I hoped he would respond, be angry, blame me, I still hoped that I was somehow wrong about it…but he never did, it was the last I saw of him. These things just didn’t fall into place because none of it felt real. I mean he didn’t even kiss me. I hate myself for ignoring the alarm bells ringing in my head. But I’ve never felt so empty and removed from an action that is taking place. I felt that although I didn’t say no, although I reciprocated, it wasn’t what I wanted. I didn’t iniciate it and I wouldn’t have, I never saw him like that. And he was like a stranger, really, I can’t rationalise it and it still bothers me being decieved like that.

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