NY Times: What’s the Matter With Kansas?

Check out today’s NY Times editorial on the Kansas craziness I wrote about yesterday. Glad to know I’m not the only one freaked out by logic that says statutory rape is all good so long as you get married:

The fact that parents are willing to go along with these unions does not make them right. Chances are that in most of these cases, as apparently happened with Mr. Koso’s family, when the parents found out that a baby was on the way, they were eager for the child to be born to married parents. But neither parental nor state approval makes it right to tie a girl as young as 12 to another person in what is supposed to be a lifetime commitment.

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8 Comments

  1. tfreridge
    Posted August 31, 2005 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    So….
    It’s okay for a 12 year old girl to get an abortion without her parents consent but not okay for her to get married with it?
    Just pointing out the flawless liberal logic.
    Reality Check.
    It’s WRONG for a 12 year old to get married under ANY conditions.
    It’s WRONG for a 12 year old to be sexualy active under ANY conditions and get an abortion without her parents knowledge.
    Get some sense of right and wrong people.

  2. Posted September 1, 2005 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    It’s WRONG for a grown man to have sex with a 12-year-old girl.

  3. Kyra
    Posted September 3, 2005 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    She is not her parents’ property. *Her* body is the one that’s pregnant, SHE is the one who has the right to decide what to do with it.

  4. antiestablishment
    Posted September 17, 2009 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Only one problem with your
    comment. I hear it coming
    way too often from the mouths of
    parents of 13, 14, 15, and 16-year
    old boys who get their kicks
    going around knocking up
    girls this young and ruining
    these girls’ lives. Try
    comparing Matt Koso to Levi
    Johnston, and you will find
    that Matt Koso has a much
    more human heart than Levi
    Johnston. Sure, Levi Johnston
    was only one year older
    than Bristol Palin (Sara
    Palin’s daughter)when he started
    having sex with her and she was 14,
    but look at what a vicious SOB he
    turned out to be. Our country
    contiues to have the most draconian
    age of consent laws of any nation, but
    at the same time, our society is lax
    about doing anything about these
    teenaged punks who physically and
    sexually abuse their girlfriends.
    The other night I saw a program
    about this 16-year old boy who
    threatened his 15-year old girlfriend
    that he would harm her if he didn’t
    have his baby. Holland’s age of
    consent was 21 up until 1990. They
    reformed their age of consent laws
    to legalize minors as young as 16 and
    to allow minors as young as 12 to
    contest a statutory rape charge against
    their significant other to a government
    agency known as the Council for the
    Protection of Children.

  5. antiestablishment
    Posted September 17, 2009 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    This has been an age-old
    debate. However, in support
    of your comment, let me
    give you some valuable
    history on the matter. In
    1843, a great controversy
    stirred up in Spain as to
    whether or not to allow
    Isabel II to be crowned the
    Queen of Spain at the age
    of 13. The laws in that
    country normally did not
    allow for anyone younger than
    14 years old to take their
    position on the throne.
    However, Isabel II fought this matter
    in their courts and became
    the Queen of Spain at the
    age of 13. She remained
    in power of that country
    until she was 38 years old.
    People can quibble with
    you and me on this issue
    on how old is old enough,
    but they cannot argue with the
    facts.

  6. antiestablishment
    Posted September 17, 2009 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    This has been an age-old
    debate. However, in support
    of your comment, let me
    give you some valuable
    history on the matter. In
    1843, a great controversy
    stirred up in Spain as to
    whether or not to allow
    Isabel II to be crowned the
    Queen of Spain at the age
    of 13. The laws in that
    country normally did not
    allow for anyone younger than
    14 years old to take their
    position on the throne.
    However, Isabel II fought this matter
    in their courts and became
    the Queen of Spain at the
    age of 13. She remained
    in power of that country
    until she was 38 years old.
    People can quibble with
    you and me on this issue
    on how old is old enough,
    but they cannot argue with the
    facts.

  7. antiestablishment
    Posted September 17, 2009 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    But you know something? The
    problem I have with this
    country’s criminal justice
    system and its society is
    that both entities automatically
    assume that just because
    something is taboo, it should
    automatically be a crime.
    For example, most of us would
    agree that it’s way out of
    whack for a 29-year old man to be
    living off of a rich 89-year
    old woman, and anyone with
    a mother that old would be
    appalled at the notion.
    However, there is no law
    against it. Now why is it
    that despite the realities
    of teens being sexually
    active at younger ages and
    less discriminating about
    the ages of their partners,
    nowhere in our country do
    prosecutors have the
    burden of proving in a
    statutory rape trial that an
    alleged victim suffered
    actual harm from a sexual
    experience? “Strict
    liability” is just a fancy
    legal term for “Travesty
    of justice”.

  8. antiestablishment
    Posted September 17, 2009 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    At one time, the age of
    consent in the Netherlands
    was 21 years old. In 1990,
    the Dutch Parliament realized
    the stupidity of jailing
    21 and 22-year old men for
    having sexual relations with
    their 19-year old girlfriends.
    The Dutch Parliament also
    realized that many statutory
    rape cases involving
    adolescent girls as young as
    12 years old were frivolous
    and malicious in light of
    the reality that girls that
    young were much more likely
    to suffer physical and
    sexual abuse at the hands
    of boys their own age rather
    than older men inasmuch as
    adolescent boys had the most
    access to them. In 1990,
    the Dutch Parliament, therefore
    lowered their country’s age
    of consent to 16 years old
    and created a government
    agency called the Council
    for the Protection of Children
    where minors between 12
    and 15 years old could
    contest a charge of statutory
    rape against their significant
    other. The agency has the
    power to force the police and
    the criminal court to rescind
    the statutory rape charges
    against the alleged
    perpretrator if they feel
    that the ends of justice
    will not be served even if
    the alleged perpetrator is
    as guilty as hell of engaging
    in sexual conduct with the
    alleged victim. This all
    makes better sense than the
    laws we have here in the U.S.
    Matt Koso would have
    probably been acquitted in
    Holland if his situation
    with Crystal Guyer had
    occurred there instead.
    Let’s stop picking on the
    Matt Kosos of the world and
    focus our anger against
    first-class lechers like
    Levi Johnston. I don’t care
    if Levi Johnston was only
    one year older than Bristol
    Palin (Sarah Palin’s daughter)
    when he started having sex
    with her when she was just
    14. He threw her and his
    own child under the bus and
    has gone so far as to
    capitalize on it all. Such
    disgraceful things would be
    way below a gentleman like
    Matt Koso. Sorry, Jessica,
    but I’m just someone who
    completely rejects the
    Pedophile Panic.

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