Is this for real???

Last week, the LA Times reported something extremely disturbing on the contest to replace Terry McAuliffe as the head of the Democratic National Committee:
The debate is focused on curbing the party’s support of abortion rights.
The article reports, “The leading candidate, former Indiana Rep. Tim Roemer, an abortion foe…argues that the party cannot rebound from its losses in the November election unless it shows more tolerance on [abortion,] one of society’s most emotional conflicts….Party leaders say…they are looking at ways to soften the hard line, such as promoting adoption and embracing parental notification requirements for minors and bans on late-term abortions.”
This is appalling and completely terrifying.
Comments, please!!
UPDATE (from Jessica): LiberalOasis has some great analysis on this, and lets us know why we shouldn’t be freaking out quite yet.

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16 Comments

  1. Anne
    Posted December 28, 2004 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Apparently they feel that if they become Republicans Lite, they’ll become more popular. (The matter of selling us out is apparently a small one.) Of course, why would people vote for Republicans Lite if they could just vote for Republicans? The Democrats are being alarmingly stupid if they go through with this.

  2. Posted December 28, 2004 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    I wrote the DNC yesterday to say that the day they drop abortion rights from their platform, or even “soften” their stance on it, is the day I switch from Democrat to Independent. And I reminded them that there were 1.15 million of us at that march in D.C. and that they risked losing those people as well. I also reminded them that despite what Fox”News” would have you believe, only 20% of people voted in this election on moral values, and that includes the people who voted for Republican moral values (gays, abortion) and the ones who voted for Democrat moral values (peace, poverty eradication, etc.). So it’s incredibly stupid to pander to a group that, at most, made up 10-15% of voters.
    I doubt they thoroughly read every comment posted, but maybe if enough of us write, it’ll make them wake up. If you’re interested in writing them, the form is here: http://www.democrats.org/contact/

  3. NancyP
    Posted December 28, 2004 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Go to http://www.democrats.org (the DNC site) and look for their feedback page, tell them what you think. Also remember to provide your activist creds (voted every primary and general, volunteer for a campaign or a gotv organisation every election cycle, donated money, etc) and tell them that your involvement will be nil if they give up women’s reproductive rights.

  4. Anne
    Posted December 28, 2004 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Here’s what I said:
    Please don’t change your platform on reproductive and abortion rights to simply mimic that of the Republicans. Most Americans support reproductive freedom and would appreciate a party that stood up for those rights. I personally would not be able to ever again financially support a party that would “sell out” women in an attempt to appeal to a relatively small number of voters who are voting Republican anyway.

  5. Posted December 28, 2004 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    What everyone else said. I urge everyone to send their feedback to the DNC’s website and tell them exactly how disgusted they are with this, and other right-turning moves the party is making. (Scroll down to #7).
    The Democrats are happy enough to take our money. They are happy enough to benefit from our 527′s. They are happy enough to take our votes and our time. They should bloody well represent our interests.
    If they continue to lose elections, they will have no one but themselves to blame.

  6. Abigail
    Posted December 28, 2004 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    “The Democrats are happy enough to take our money. They are happy enough to benefit from our 527′s. They are happy enough to take our votes and our time. They should bloody well represent our interests.”
    Damn right. After the election I reregistered as Green. Living in California, I’m tired of having the Democrats use California as an ATM machine so they can campaign in the states that “really matter.”
    Republicans know they have to give their base what they want, while Democrats know that their base will vote for whomever they select to run. We need to hold the Democrats responsible. They can’t just count on our vote without representing the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.
    Also, I heard an interview with George Lakoff the other day (please read his book Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think), and he was discussing how “Pro-Life” brings to mind a moral concern, while “Pro-Choice” – specifically the word “choice” – brings to mind a consumer concern. A “moral issue” is going to win over a “consumer issue.” Most people are pro-choice, but I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with the issue as well, which makes it easy for the Right to manipulate people.

  7. Posted December 28, 2004 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Wow. If “promoting adoption and embracing parental notification requirements for minors and bans on late-term abortions” is “appalling and completely terrifying” that helps explain why you guys lost the last election, and will continue to do so. These proposals are supported by 70-80% of the population, folks. Do the math — if common-sense items like these “terrify” you, you better get used to being in the minority.

  8. Posted December 28, 2004 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    I am somehow not surprised. Our country seems to enjoy the backwards progression of history – first with it’s constant intolerance and next with it’s conservative stand on abortions. I fear that if both parties start taking the conservative stance then the worst can happen – the overturn of Roe v. Wade and a thrust backwards into a time when women risked everything to have an abortion.

  9. Posted December 28, 2004 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Oooh, thanks Mark, on yet another “brilliant” response. You sure told us!
    Now fuck off.

  10. NancyP
    Posted December 28, 2004 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Adoption does not need promotion beyond the already existing referrals made by social workers. The majority of women regard adoption (under the current system) as a third choice behind childrearing and abortion. It is a valid choice for some women, particularly religiously minded ones. But most women regretted their closed adoptions, and the word has gone out. Now, if babyselling or a substitute (full 4 year college scholarship) were made legal and the government brokered the adoptions, doling out benefits to the birth mothers and handling all adoptions, and foster care for the less popular types of infant (handicapped or black), adoption might increase in popularity. But do we want that? Yes, the birth mother provides a societal service by producing a future earner, but I don’t see this sort of pronatalism taking hold. More likely a free-market solution would be used, with high-IQ women renting out their womb once for a college degree, twice for medical school or law school. And then you can bet the men would whine about unfair advantage!
    The reason that some people who are not anti-abortion under all circumstances favor parental notification laws and “late term” (often taken as all of 2nd trimester) bans is that they assume that the system will work for themselves and their kin – that the doctor will consider that treating their rapidly growing lymphoma or giving them a chance at an organ transplant is more important than getting a fetus to viability. And statistically they are right – most women will not face these problems. But when your daughter died from a septic abortion because she was ashamed to tell you, and stuck a wire up her cervix, you might change your mind about notifications.

  11. Posted December 30, 2004 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    rojopelo-
    Let me guess — you were the high school debate champ, right? I should have known better than to tangle with such a mighty intellect. Next time I’ll know better. You really got me on that one. Good job.

  12. katie
    Posted December 31, 2004 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    what about instances where incest and/or rape are involved? what is a teenage girl going to do when she gets pregnant by her father and then has to go to him to get permission to abort the baby he created?
    not all parents are nurturing understanding people. try to imagine the typical reaction a parent would have when their daughter chooses to tell them she is pregnant and is KEEPING the baby. disappointment, shame, guilt, etc. that is the emotional response that comes from a situation like that. then try to imagine the reaction when a young women goes to her parents and tells them she wants to abort the baby.
    maybe if women would not be shamed for having a baby out of wedlock at a young age there would be fewer abortions?

  13. Pat
    Posted December 31, 2004 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Katie, what is the matter with you? If it’s discovered that a young girl has been raped by her father, the obvious and urgent imperative is to remove her from that evil environment and turn her molestor over to the civil authorities so he can’t molest her or some other youngster again. Then she should receive whatever counselling and rehabilitation is necessary to undo the injuries caused her. I can’t believe what I’m reading. Do you mean to say you would provide her an abortion and then let her return to that household again, no questions asked?

  14. Posted January 2, 2005 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Pat, what’s to say that getting the abortion isn’t part of removing a girl from that enviroment? As it stands, parental notification laws work to return the girl to her rapist so he can decide if she’s to have the baby or not.

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